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warbound questions
Topic Started: Aug 19 2009, 04:01 AM (333 Views)
ajil
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I posted this at vs realms and haven't gotten any replies so I figured I would try here.

I recently got back into vs, and built myself a warbound deck. I've searched and found many answers, but I still ahve a couple of questions.

When I use the strongest one there is, does the opponent take stun damage? (I'm thinking no)

All my other questions revolve around righteous anger, which confuses me. If I discard archangel at the beginning of my attack phase, then play righteous anger after I attack once, will my hulk still have flight and +3 attack for his next attack? (thinking yes)
If he is stunned during his second attack, does korg's ability still recover him? (hoping so)
Can I play righteous anger on hulk multiple times in a turn? (Seriously doubting this one)
And also does hulk reready when he recovers via korg? (thinking no)

EDIT: Is it possible to team up shifted characters?
Double edit: Can my opponent play black rider and ko my korg before I use his ability to remove him from the game after he is stunned?

Thanks for any help!
Edited by ajil, Aug 19 2009, 04:18 AM.
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Hey A - glad you found us!

Strongest One There Is: No - only you take stun damage. But they lose a character. [grin]

Archangel/Righteous Anger:
Yes - you just can't target Hulk after you play RA...anything before that still "sticks".

Korg after Righteous Anger: No - once Hulk becomes stunned for the first time (during your RA), then Korgs effect triggers. After that, Korgs effect is done for the turn.

Righteous Anger multiple times per turn: Nope - RA targets. So once you play the first one, you can't target Hulk with a second one because the card reads "Hulk can't be the target of effects this turn."

Korg/readying: No - Hulk only recovers with Korgs effect.

Shifted characters: No - they can't be teamed up because they aren't actually characters since they are in the RFG (removed from Game) zone. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that to be the case.)

Black Rider vs. Korg: Yes - he can KO your Korg before you get a change to remove him from the game.

Hope that helps! [fro]
Edited by carlosthedwarf, Aug 19 2009, 07:28 AM.
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Shifted characters: No - they can't be teamed up because they aren't actually characters since they are in the RFG (removed from Game) zone. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that to be the case.)


You are correct on this. NO card ever produced in this game allowed you to team up from any zones other than "inplay" (Or hand with certain team-ups) bu absolutely not on the RFG.
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Well, actually---any card with Crossover works on "all characters that player controls, and all character cards that player owns," so it applies to any shifted cards you own. There are also a few cards that are specifically worded to be just as broad, such as the Secret Avengers-style cards that refer to "affiliated character cards you own."

The classic team-ups didn't apply to the RFG zone, and so can't touch shifted characters, because they described themselves as applying to "characters you control, as well as cards in your deck, hand, and KO'd pile," which did not include the RFG zone. The fact that characters only exist in play is therefore part of the reason, but a card's wording can overcome that obstacle.


As a side-note, regarding Righteous Anger and targeting. The only thing that can ever target is an effect on the chain that specifically uses the word "target." Before an effect can resolve, you have to re-check the legality of any target, but once it has resolved and left the chain, there is no more "effect" and nothing is being targeted. Archangel starts targeting Hulk as part of playing Archangel's effect, and continues targeting him until Archangel's effect resolves from the chain.

So, a Righteous Anger while Archangel's effect waits to resolve will lead to Archangel's effect being negated, and Hulk never receiving the bonus, because Righteous Anger would prevent Hulk from passing the re-check of target legality. But Righteous Anger after Archangel's effect has resolved, once Hulk is already receiving the bonus, will not disrupt it.
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Aug 19 2009, 02:52 PM
Well, actually---any card with Crossover works on "all characters that player controls, and all character cards that player owns," so it applies to any shifted cards you own. There are also a few cards that are specifically worded to be just as broad, such as the Secret Avengers-style cards that refer to "affiliated character cards you own."

The classic team-ups didn't apply to the RFG zone, and so can't touch shifted characters, because they described themselves as applying to "characters you control, as well as cards in your deck, hand, and KO'd pile," which did not include the RFG zone. The fact that characters only exist in play is therefore part of the reason, but a card's wording can overcome that obstacle.
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That one surprises me.
I would have never thought that,
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I might not have expressed it clearly, but in this situation his only characters are in the shifted zone, and he wants to call their affiliations to use the team up.
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ajil
Aug 19 2009, 08:48 PM
I might not have expressed it clearly, but in this situation his only characters are in the shifted zone, and he wants to call their affiliations to use the team up.
They are Not in play so he can't. The Shifted zone is the Removed From GAme Zone and not in play. You may be confusing the Hidden area for it.
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Thanks guys, I didn't think he could use the team up on shifted characters.
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