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malice and stun
Topic Started: Sep 7 2009, 06:31 PM (376 Views)
JoseG
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If I have Malice (marauders, cost 2) in play and my opponent stuns her, lets say with Gambit Death, does my opponent loses 4 endurance due to her effect or nothing happens?
Im pretty sure that my opponent loses the 4 endurance because her effect is like the effect of coming into play of hellboy and project ragnarok.
Im asking this because this happened to me and everybody told me that she has to be in combat to trigger this effect (but I dont see the word in combat in the card) and wanted to make this clear.
any help?
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This is a bit tricky. You see while there is no combat clause on Malice and the source of the stun is Gambit, Death under normal circumstances I would have to say that yes he will lose 4 endurance. However if the effect that stunned her was while gambit was shifted out of play, then I have no clue as to what happens because he isn't in play. I think that he still loses the 4 endurance but I honestly don't know for sure.

Perhaps Hero Complex can come by and set this matter.
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I thought that this kind of effect searches the source of the action (in this case gambit) so it will resolve by my opponent losing the endurance.
Edited by JoseG, Sep 7 2009, 09:47 PM.
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2 Malice, Possessor
Team: Marauders
Concealed
ATK: 3
DEF: 1
Whenever Malice becomes stunned by a character, that character's controller loses endurance equal to its cost.

"Oh sweetie, the look on your face . . ."




She only stipulates that she needs to be stunned by a character. Whether it be by activated effect or from normal combat, it will trigger. A Shifted card only retains that is a "character card" and is not a character.
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Jose it will look into the source of the stun but Gambit isn't in play, so thats where my confusion comes from. I think savants explanation could be the correct one as it does sound good, but I'm not 100% sure.
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I'm 100% sure that Savant's explanation is correct. If it's not in play, not a character.
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Sep 7 2009, 10:41 PM
2Malice, Possessor
Team: Marauders
Concealed
ATK: 3
DEF: 1
Whenever Malice becomes stunned by a character, that character's controller loses endurance equal to its cost.

"Oh sweetie, the look on your face . . ."




She only stipulates that she needs to be stunned by a character. Whether it be by activated effect or from normal combat, it will trigger. A Shifted card only retains that is a "character card" and is not a character.
I know that Im a little pesky but I want to clear this
Malice, Possessor
Team: Marauders
Concealed
ATK: 3
DEF: 1
Whenever Malice becomes stunned by a character, that character's controller loses endurance equal to its cost.

"Oh sweetie, the look on your face . . ."
A Shifted card only retains that is a "character card"
this is what bugs me, you can only shift character cards so the game recognize shifted cards as character cards.
Am I wrong?
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I think what he means is, a character card is always a character card, regardless of where it is- in play, in your hand, shifted etc.

However, a character card is only a character when it's actually in play. Since Malice's effect specifies a character, it would only work if she's stunned by a character in play, and not a character card in the shifted area.

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ok I got this but I want the long answer, where is herocomplex when you need him?
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There's no long answer.

"Character card" and "character" are not the same thing. It's only a character when it's in play. Everywhere else, it's a "character card." When it's shifted, it's not a character. In my deck, RFG, in my hand, in my row, it's not a character. It can't defend for me and I can't attack with it. When you recruit a character card, then and only then do you have a character.
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JoseG
Sep 8 2009, 11:05 AM
ok I got this but I want the long answer, where is herocomplex when you need him?
Another way to look at it is that a Shifted character is in the Removed From Game Zone so if it is Removed From the Game, it is not in play, and if it is not in play it cannot trigger her effect because she needs to be stunned by a character. Characters are in play.
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JoseG
Sep 8 2009, 08:05 AM
this is what bugs me, you can only shift character cards so the game recognize shifted cards as character cards.
Well here is where you are mistaken. Equipments also have a recruitment cost and they too can be shifted so how will Malice really know if the effect came from a character or am equipment.

Even more room for thought is that the shifted area is within the removed form the game zone, where you can even have locations and plot twists.

I'm now 100% sure savant's explanation is the correct one as a character card is a character card anywhere in the game but only a character when it is in play.
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thanks for the clearing now I know that we were mistaken, all of us. me, beacuase everybody knows by now and my friends because they thoght that her effect was restricted to only combat.
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