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| EvilDave | Oct 22 2009, 02:49 AM Post #46 |
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I mean, those aren't Christian beliefs per se; they're just beliefs of Gen X more than anything. As to the no poverty and hunger; no, that's part of government, and a system which rewards people for the energy they put in, along with the natural resources found amongst them. "True Communism" (everyone sharing) has proven to fall apart; I dunno if it's such a bad thing, could you imagine living in a world where there is no reward for putting 110% into a job, since you're just going to get the same distribution of goods? I'm actually more of a D-ist in that sense, it may seem cruel, but I don't believe in helping the impovershed, I think you just make people dependent on the system (or in the case of Ethiopia, an entire country dependent on the system; they aren't even trying at this point). Give a man a fire etc etc... if you just keep giving them a fire big enough to survive they'll never both to figure out how to make the ones that will truly sustain them. The Christian bible has a little stuff about "love thy neighbor", but also things about discrimination; and obviously it is probably the most historically war-torn religion (well, Jewish is pretty bad; but at least they are mostly getting beaten up :)). With that said, the modern focus HAS been on peace and love, but I think that's more of a sign of the times, it's survived because it's a very adaptive religion. As an atheist, I still believe in trying to be happy while not hurting (and potentially helping) the happiness of all around me, and believing that after I die "that's it" makes me respect and appreciate my time on the earth more. I dislike the implications that a lack of religion leads to a lack of morals. |
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| Orange_Soda_Man | Oct 22 2009, 03:27 AM Post #47 |
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I enjoyed it; that series got me interested in mystery-type productions. If you like that you might want to check out "Monster" and "Spiral". |
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| vs_savant2 | Oct 22 2009, 03:31 AM Post #48 |
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I just started watching Monster, Is it just me or do you think that detective would have turned up something in the 9 years he though Tenma was the killer. Come on thats holding a grudge. I think I am gonna start typing out everything I say with my right hand, just to freak people out. |
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| bkwrds | Oct 22 2009, 03:40 AM Post #49 |
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Dave, Just trying to say that the main message I take away from Christianity is "love thy neighbour" and that I've seen a lot of examples in my lifetime (maybe because of my family's connection with the church?) of people trying to help others in the name of Christianity. Maybe I got carried away by suggesting that "the world would be better" but I would like to think that we could all afford to be nicer to one another, in general. I am not suggesting that Christianity is the only means to accomplish this, or that the concept of being kind to others is exclusive to Christianity. I'm not Christian myself. I was just trying to say something nice about Christianity after saying something mean. If I gave you the impression that I think everyone should be Christian... well, that's not what I was trying to get across. The parts about discrimination I try to ignore -- the book (Leviticus) that condemns homosexuality is the same that condemns eating shellfish and pork, and I don't see those as critical rules. It's unfortunate that one passage in the Old Testament receives so much attention... because it's obvious that these Pat Robertson types probably don't mind breaking all the other rules in Leviticus. They're outdated and only meant for Jews in a specific historic circumstance. It makes me sad whenever people discriminate using Bible as the reasoning. Not the message I take from it. I also don't necessarily believe that helping people means giving them food -- just acting in their best interests. I think if Western countries acted in the best interests of 3rd world countries, things would be better there. Doesn't have to be on a silver platter. Anyway, as I mentioned earlier, I made one negative comment towards Christians at the beginning of the thread, then tried to backpedal a bit by saying something nice... not trying to proselytize or biblethump at all. Edited by bkwrds, Oct 22 2009, 03:41 AM.
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| EvilDave | Oct 22 2009, 04:10 AM Post #50 |
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Oh I understand, just always keeping a watch out for us atheist types. As we start to become a higher and higher percent of the population, I think it's important for the religious to recognize that we too are looking out for each other and believe in love and peace. Possibly more so, since we believe you only get one chance at life and then you disperse into the soil :). |
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| xMr. Lemon Headx | Oct 22 2009, 04:37 AM Post #51 |
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I'm really glad that I posted this thread, because it is awesome getting to know all of you! To Scott- I totally agree with you.. I never knew there were so many Christians here :) In my opinion, that is great! To everyone- Thanks for not getting into any arguements about religion. I really don't want any disputes from this thread, because I simply posted it as a way for all of us to get to know one another a little more.. To be a true VS community! Cheers everyone! Edited by xMr. Lemon Headx, Oct 22 2009, 04:37 AM.
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| bkwrds | Oct 22 2009, 04:48 AM Post #52 |
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Tone here has been respectful throughout. Nothing wrong with polite discourse. |
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| Canadian Bacon | Oct 22 2009, 01:25 PM Post #53 |
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My name is Travis and, in case you couldn't tell from my screenname, I'm originally from Canada. I was born and raised in St. John's, Newfoundland, went to school at Memorial University of Newfoundland, graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering, and am now living in Houston, TX at a small structural engineering consulting company. They deal primarily with offshore structural analysis and inspection planning/execution. I'm not a huge fan of Houston and the Texas mentality in general and hopefully within 5 years I'll have enough work experience to find a comparable job in Canada, probably either Vancouver, Ottawa, or St. John's. I've got a great girlfriend and we've been dating for about a year and a half. We're not really into many of the same things but for whatever reason what we have works out really well and I can't see myself with anybody else. I'll probably end up marrying the girl but that's still a long ways off. I'm an agnostic atheist. I was baptised and confirmed as an Anglican/Episcopalian/Church of England but as I grew up, I realized that Christianity didn't really offer me much and, IMO, it just didn't make much sense. I essentially grew out of it. I'm tolerant of other people's religions but not very tolerant in some of the more fundamental Christian beliefs, such as creationism. I could probably argue against those kinds of things for hours. So anyways, as I said, I'm an agnostic atheist. I'm leaning towards there not being a higher power but if there is one, I don't think he/she/it is anything like what they are made out to be in the Christian/Muslim/etc bible. These are just my beliefs and obviously you're more than welcome to have your own. I used to play VS a lot but I haven't played at all in about two months. I just got fed up with getting to the game store and only having one or two other people show up. I don't even have any idea if anybody else is still playing VS there. I haven't really talked to the guys since I quit. Anyways, that's me in a nutshell.
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| KardKrazy | Oct 22 2009, 01:40 PM Post #54 |
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I agree with you on that Bacon. No offense to any "Texan" here but everyone I have ever met in person was an arrogant prick who thought they and their state was God (excluding one Texan I met while in the Air Force who just thought the state was ). Could be I also have a disdain for Texas because Basic Training for all Air Force people are in Texas and I had a horrible experience with the Air Force. Just turned out not to be my thing at all.later, Kj |
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| xMr. Lemon Headx | Oct 22 2009, 04:09 PM Post #55 |
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To bkwrds- I know it was polite discourse.. I was simply saying that I was hoping there wouldn't be any arguements that lead to an un-happy thread.. lol I agree with you though! Cheers everyone! |
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| topdogtaz218 | Oct 22 2009, 04:58 PM Post #56 |
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I'm joining the AF, so what was so horrible? Also remember people Christianity is a religion of hope, Jesus came to tell us about a place better than this Earth that we will go after this life. With something better than just 72 virgins ( no offense). And he didn't come to create religion man created it, all what Jesus did was bring the path to God through Love and Repentance, and to make him your only and true Savior! |
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| Hank McCoy | Oct 22 2009, 05:16 PM Post #57 |
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I served 5+ years in the Navy, and met my wife while she was serving her 2+ years. I fully endorse at least 2 years for everybody in the armed services, just to get a chance to see the world and the people in it. |
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| KardKrazy | Oct 22 2009, 05:26 PM Post #58 |
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I was lied to from the beginning and after two days at Basic Training I knew it wasn't for me. Basic Training was 1 week longer than I told which pissed me off from the beginning because my recruiter didn't tell me 0 week counts (I have heard now that it is 2 weeks longer for more training). From there it just went down hill. I was told other small things by my recruiter that just weren't true, but were big enough to leave me with a bad first impression. One thing I was told by him, while he couldn't guarantee it, he was pretty sure I could at least get a base on the East Coast once I got out of Tech School since there were so many available (I'm from NC and wanted to stay at least on the East Coast and he sure sounded convinced I would stay on the East Coast). So I made my "wish list" in Basic Training and a couple of weeks into Tech School guess where I found out I was stationed...Alamagordo, NM. I went right back to being pissed off (if I had ever actually stopped being pissed from the beginning is unsure). So after moving to Alamagordo and getting into the "real" Air Force I found that I didn't like who I worked with and people were arrogant and full of testosterone (if I wanted that I would have joined the marines or something). In the end it just wasn't what I thought it was going to be from Day 1. So I had a horrible first impression. Fortunately for me, since I had signed up for 6 years, the Air Force implemented a program called Force Shapening while I was in to cut budget. If you had Honorable Conduct, had never had gotten in any trouble and had been in for at least a year you could apply for it. The only downside was once you got out you lost all medical benefits and you had to pay back your sign on bonus and you were put into inactive reserves. I applied and was granted early discharge from the Air Force with an Honorable Discharge. I served just at a year and was free from the Air Force. Paying the sign on bonus back and having no medical insurance from them was well worth the price for me. That is how bad I disliked my experience in the Air Force. later, Kj |
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| topdogtaz218 | Oct 22 2009, 05:38 PM Post #59 |
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Wow!!!....that suks....lol how long ago was that? oo and yea...what happens on week 0? Edited by topdogtaz218, Oct 22 2009, 05:42 PM.
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| EvilDave | Oct 22 2009, 05:48 PM Post #60 |
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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but if I tell you I came here to make me your true savior and to give you a set of ground rules to live by, didn't I create religion?
72 women who know what they are doing in bed? Edited by EvilDave, Oct 22 2009, 05:50 PM.
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). Could be I also have a disdain for Texas because Basic Training for all Air Force people are in Texas and I had a horrible experience with the Air Force. Just turned out not to be my thing at all.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but if I tell you I came here to make me your true savior and to give you a set of ground rules to live by, didn't I create religion? 
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