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| KardKrazy | Jun 18 2010, 03:15 PM Post #46 |
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Homer, the word Batman is on the card since Mystique has all names. Is the TEXT Batman on the card? No. But the word is because a word can be spoken and not written and it is still a word. later, Kj |
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| HomerJ | Jun 18 2010, 03:28 PM Post #47 |
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No. That is not correct. The word is NOT on Mystique. Mystique has the name Batman, but the word is not on the card. You and HC can continue to post this again and again, but you will not convince me. Can Rick Jones rally for Mystique? No. Can At Your Service find Mystique? No. edited because Banstylejbo is the man Edited by HomerJ, Jun 18 2010, 03:34 PM.
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| banstylejbo | Jun 18 2010, 03:31 PM Post #48 |
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Homer, you may have missed this from my post in the other page which got quickly buried: This is from the definition of "Printed" in the CRD:
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| HomerJ | Jun 18 2010, 03:34 PM Post #49 |
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Now THAT is a legitimate reason for arguing whether or not it works. My suggestion is since Rick Jones and At Your Service are the only cards that use the wording "the word <name>" they should be errata'd to clarify the function. Thank you Banstylejbo, for putting this to rest with the wonderful CRD. I should have just started there. |
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| Shadowtrooper | Jun 18 2010, 03:45 PM Post #50 |
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See this kind of pisses me off because it brings back memories of Kyle Rayner, Last Green Lantern and/or Tomar Re, Green Lantern of Xudar couldn't search for Klaw, Sonic Construct. If in a version I can't make distinctions between two separate words, then why should names be any different? Superman/Batman Robot is the name as a whole just like Hulkling is the name as a whole and She-Hulk is a name as a whole. The problem here is not Rick Jones or At Your Service. The problem here is Mystique yet another MEV card causing problems with the way other cards should or do work. When I see a long line of cards like the one KK put up a while back I see reason for all the distinctions of PRINTED ATK and DEF values could be changed easily with a pump or pump reduction. Cost where identified but never as PRINTED COST, as costs couldn't be changed just altered by cards like Radioactive Man yet never cost of characters and thats why Thing works as intended and as printed. Name changes occurred way back in MSM with Decoy Program but that removed all other names so it's a non-issue. All other name changes or additions came from MHG onward. Six in total if you count the MSM one. So distinctions for Printed name where never ever needed. Can Mystique be searched for At Your Service? I don't think that was the intent but I see no reason as to why not. Can it be Rallied for with Rick Jones? Sure, why not. Can At Your Service search for the Sup/Bat Robot? Thats where I draw the line and say HELL NO!!! |
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| KardKrazy | Jun 18 2010, 04:36 PM Post #51 |
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Yeah I'm staying away from the Superman/Batman thing:p. That one (as even HeroComplex has admitted) is iffy. lol, Kj |
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| BatHulk | Jun 18 2010, 04:43 PM Post #52 |
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Other than banjo's excellent CRD reference for what the definition of "Printed" is, I do think there is some misinterpretation of At Your Service's game text: To play, discard a [Gotham Knights] character card. Search your deck for a card with the word "Batman" in its name, identity, or text. Reveal that card and put it into your hand. The text does not tell you to search for a word **ON** the card. It tells you to search for a card with the word **IN** its name, identity, or text. Since a card's name, identity, or text is mutable via modifiers (as pointed out by banjo's CRD reference), being able to search for a word IN one of those three characteristics is possible even if it's not printed ON the card. |
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| HeroComplex | Jun 19 2010, 04:03 AM Post #53 |
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Unclear to me how much of this question is made moot by the "printed" entry, so responding to a bit of it in case. (Btw, thanks for citing that, banstylejbo, I wish I'd remembered there was something nicely on point there.) To clarify, that really wasn't what I was asking---the bit of my post you quoted specifically agreed that the word isn't "on the card." The question I've been asking is---what initially led people to feel that "on the card" is the proper standard, when At Your Service itself just needs the word to be "in its name." Not demanding proof that that's the correct standard, just trying to get insight into people's thinking. And even if the issue is resolving itself, I'll still be curious on this point, since I like figuring out why people read things in different ways. To be fair, the difference isn't between names and versions, though. At Your Service is different because it specifically searches for a word within the name/identity/text, rather than looking at names as a whole. What stops you from finding Klaw with those GL cards is that when you're just told to look for Name, or a Version card, you look for a card with that name/version, rather than for a card with that word in its name/version. Which isn't to say that you're wrong for wanting Klaw to have been searchable by cards looking for Construct cards. Just want to make sure the reason's clear so you can be annoyed at the right thing. |
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| unclechawie | Jun 19 2010, 01:19 PM Post #54 |
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Since I've seen this sentiment, if not a similar statement, expressed in several rules discussions, I felt it necessary to mention it. HomerJ recently mentioned "the context of VS." Every rules discussion is inherently within the context of VS as there is no other way to a make a proper determination of how a specific card functions. I think the point HomerJ was getting at was one of, "Please don't simply respond with, 'You can't take this out of the context of VS.' " I'm sure he was a looking for a answer further clarifying HC's point within the context of VS, because it is the only way a card can be ruled upon. It just seemed that, to me anyways, that that statement could have muddied the rest of his argument and made it seem like he didn't care what the rules actually said. From the little I know of HomerJ, I know that's not true, however this sentiment has been seen in other threads and I implore folk to stay away from it. My thanks to Banstylejbo for giving more direction to why At Your Service can legally search for Mystique by quoting the definition for printed. Now back to your regularly posted in thread! |
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| imoly22 | Sep 4 2012, 09:16 PM Post #55 |
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Just found this thread...and after reading it all, I still have a doubt... can At your service find Superman/Batman robot? It seems that HC stated that was possible, but I want to be sure about this.... Edited by imoly22, Sep 4 2012, 09:17 PM.
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| Canadian Bacon | Sep 4 2012, 10:35 PM Post #56 |
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Is Batman in the name/identity/text of Superman/Batman Robot? Yes. Twice. Therefore you can search for it. |
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| HeroComplex | Sep 4 2012, 11:19 PM Post #57 |
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As was mentioned at various time in the thread, the glossary definition for "Word" actually confirms very specifically that this works. |
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| imoly22 | Sep 5 2012, 06:56 AM Post #58 |
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Thanks a lot CB & HC for your help. |
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