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X-Men First Class
Topic Started: Jun 5 2011, 10:46 PM (1,091 Views)
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So...why isn't there already a multi-page thread for this movie yet?

I saw it last night and REALLY enjoyed it. Almost got too excited at the cameo's they included.
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I'm not very interested because of the timeline issues. I mean Mystique is like 12 years old in it 50 years ago, and she's like 35 present day? WTF? And Professor X and Magneto aren't 50 years younger in it either. Not to mention they use names like Angel and powers like Nightcrawler, but they aren't attached to the right people.

I've heard from non-comic people that it's very good, but I just don't know if I can vault myself past the obvious discrepancies.
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Jun 6 2011, 12:14 AM
I'm not very interested because of the timeline issues. I mean Mystique is like 12 years old in it 50 years ago, and she's like 35 present day? WTF? And Professor X and Magneto aren't 50 years younger in it either. Not to mention they use names like Angel and powers like Nightcrawler, but they aren't attached to the right people.

I've heard from non-comic people that it's very good, but I just don't know if I can vault myself past the obvious discrepancies.
For considering yourself a "comic person", you're complaining about a lot of things that you don't know about, apparently.

Mystique is among those mutants that have an incredibly slow aging process. She evidently has been alive since around the end of the 19th century. That's why her lover, Destiny, always seemed so much older. They've known each other that long.

The character of Angel is Angel Salvadore, though she goes by Tempest these days. She was created for the "New X-Men" series back in 2001.

The character with Nightcrawler's powers is Azazel. Azazel first appeared in Uncanny X-Men in 2003. It is revealed that he was the man which impregnated Mystique with the baby who would become Nightcrawler.
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Yeah, despite the cameos they actually did a lot of work to distance this film from the pre-established franchise. I really enjoyed it, I think the key is to just think of it as a complete re-imagining of the property.
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Lex Luthor Jr
Jun 6 2011, 12:47 AM
Mestrahd
Jun 6 2011, 12:14 AM
I'm not very interested because of the timeline issues. I mean Mystique is like 12 years old in it 50 years ago, and she's like 35 present day? WTF? And Professor X and Magneto aren't 50 years younger in it either. Not to mention they use names like Angel and powers like Nightcrawler, but they aren't attached to the right people.

I've heard from non-comic people that it's very good, but I just don't know if I can vault myself past the obvious discrepancies.
For considering yourself a "comic person", you're complaining about a lot of things that you don't know about, apparently.

Mystique is among those mutants that have an incredibly slow aging process. She evidently has been alive since around the end of the 19th century. That's why her lover, Destiny, always seemed so much older. They've known each other that long.

The character of Angel is Angel Salvadore, though she goes by Tempest these days. She was created for the "New X-Men" series back in 2001.

The character with Nightcrawler's powers is Azazel. Azazel first appeared in Uncanny X-Men is 2003. It is revealed that he was the man which impregnated Mystique with the baby who would become Nightcrawler.
What he said.....


Claiming fault with a movie, or anything for the matter, based on what you know and not what is known is faulty logic. Try not to do it.

I liked the movie, you have to take it as a stand alone film much how the reboot of Hulk was done, and it must be just as a movie in its own right and not against the previous films that it technically does't have many direct ties too other than a few cameos.
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did anyone else wonder why havok was a member of the x men well before cyclops?
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So they're taking characters created in the 2000s (which is after I stopped reading btw) and retconned them into the "first class"? To me, the first class is Angel (Warren Worthington), a fleshy Beast, cyclops etc. I apologize if I'm not up on the "New Class" of X-Men.

And according to your explanation, Mystique should be well more than 12 years old in appearance having been alive for 100 years.
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I saw it this morning, and I've had a full day of work to let it sink in.

To put it simply, I liked it. When I was watching it at first I kind of had the same reaction as Mestrahd. I was like "Why are all of these random mutants on a team together and calling themsepves X-Men? Why are Riptide and Azazel part of the Inner Circle? Why is Sebastian Shaw German?" But I think if you just step back, separate this film from the other films, the comics, and such and just try to appreciate it for what it is and judge it on its own merits, it was pretty darned good. It was better than the last two X-Men films for sure.

That said, it could have been better. If they had taken more time to develop a cast that didn't seem so random, I think the fans would be a lot happier with it, and if they changed Shaw and the Hellfire Club, everyone would be happier with it, I think.

Overall, pretty darned good, but not fantastic. Better than Thor, I think.

8/10.
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Jun 6 2011, 01:31 AM
Overall, pretty darned good, but not fantastic. Better than Thor, I think.

8/10.
What he said!

Worth catching in the theatre.
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I'm really looking forward to this movie, as well as Thor and Green Lantern!
Edited by xMr. Lemon Headx, Jun 6 2011, 04:04 AM.
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Mestrahd
Jun 6 2011, 01:12 AM
So they're taking characters created in the 2000s (which is after I stopped reading btw) and retconned them into the "first class"? To me, the first class is Angel (Warren Worthington), a fleshy Beast, cyclops etc. I apologize if I'm not up on the "New Class" of X-Men.

And according to your explanation, Mystique should be well more than 12 years old in appearance having been alive for 100 years.
I was not saying that the movie is 100% accurate to the comics. I was just explaining that Mystique would appear young than she is, and that using the name "Angel" and Azazel's teleportation powers were correct in their context. (I should also point out that Nightcrawler does not have a monopoly on teleportation. It is a power shared by Vanisher, Blink, Silver Samurai, and Gateway, just to name a few.)

I know the original X-Men roster was Angel, Beast, Cyclops, IceMan, and Marvel Girl. I'm certain the writers where aware of that. I'm also certain they wanted the movie to be a success. So they decided they needed to combine old with new, and use some characters in the past movies as well as introduce ones that haven't been used. They worried people might not want to see it if it was just a complete rehash of the first X-Men. It needed to be familiar, but fresh.

If you are going to rate a movie on how accurate it is to the comics, you're never going to be happy seeing a comic book movie. They always change things. They MUST change things.
Edited by Lex Luthor Jr, Jun 6 2011, 06:05 AM.
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Jun 6 2011, 01:31 AM
That said, it could have been better. If they had taken more time to develop a cast that didn't seem so random, I think the fans would be a lot happier with it, and if they changed Shaw and the Hellfire Club, everyone would be happier with it, I think.
I can understand where you are coming from, but at the same time you need to realize that movie companies aren't making comic book movies for just comic book fans. In fact, they are made mostly for non-comic fans, as they know that comic fans are already going to see the latest comic movie. They need to make it appeal to everyone else.

If you asked average people on the street to name five members of The Hellfire Club, your most common answer would be "I don't know who that is." I think even if you asked males 18-25 the same question, most of the time you would get the same answer. Most people don't know anything about comics. Of course Riptide is in the Marauders and not The Hellfire Club. We know that. Other people don't.

(Side note: This is a common error the human mind makes. We all do it. We believe that what we know and what we like is the same as everyone else. This is not the case. People are astounded when they find out I don't know anything about sports. I'm constantly surprised by people who have never seen The Princess Bride. We all assume everyone has the same information and interests. It's just not true.)

I'm certain they did research into The Hellfire Club when the movie was being written, but decided to change some aspects of them so it would make a better movie. Most of the actual members of The Hellfire Club have "invisible" powers, complex powers, or powers that wouldn't work out for an action movie. So they looked in the Marvel mutant pool and adapted characters that could be interesting, understandable, visual, and exciting. They kind of did the same thing with the X-Men. They used some memorable characters, but introduced others with powers different than those seen in the previous X-films.

I really don't mind when they change certain aspects of comic book movies, especially ones that have a large pool of characters to choose from. They need to keep things new and different. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. Making changes is less of a risk than changing nothing, though.
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Jun 6 2011, 04:04 AM
I'm really looking forward to this movie, as well as Thor and Green Lantern!
Thor came out two weeks ago. Go see it!
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Jun 6 2011, 06:05 AM
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Jun 6 2011, 04:04 AM
I'm really looking forward to this movie, as well as Thor and Green Lantern!
Thor came out two weeks ago. Go see it!
Yeah i've been wanting to, just haven't found the time to slip on over to the movies! I actually went with some family a few weeks ago, but they all wanted to see the new Pirates, so unfortunately Thor was voted out.. [yikes]
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I understand your point, but I'm not really trying to say that I expected the club to be the same as it was in The Dark Phoenix saga. I'm not saying the general public knows or cares who The Inner Circle is. I'm saying that for the purposes of this film, the characters they chose and the way they were presented and interpreted left a lot to be desired.

Shaw's plan makes little to no sense. Blow up the world so that mutants can inherit it? They're not cockroaches. They would get fried or die of exposure like anyone else. Emma's appearance in the film was really dry. She didn't seem to have that same charm about her that makes the character interesting.

I could go on, but you get my point. I understand that things must be changed. That really doesn't have anything to do with the few complaints I have about the film. If they had changed the characters in some other way to make them interesting, or even just brought in some new ones altogether, I'd have been fine with that.
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