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| OMB | May 25 2013, 07:20 PM Post #31 |
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5 drop Mystique, Foxx is basically just a cheat for this whole format, but she's payment power based. If anyone wants to play Mimic his entire thing is payment powers. A few Cyclops characters have payment powers. Not a character, but Stark Armory is a key Ironman legend card that has payment powers. 4 drop Wolverine, AoA is a payment power though we probably won't see him. Lycan mentioned Quicksilver and all his good versions have payment powers. I'm sure there are other cards I'm not thinking of right now. I understand the attraction of Omni for fighting Spider-Man, but there are other options and Omni just gets everything. Wanna try Bosom Buddies? You'd better win on turn 4 or you might as well scoop. Wolverine? How do you feel about no Adamantium Claws or Beserker Rage? The thing about dual legend is you're telegraphing your deck pretty early so you opponent is going to have a pretty good idea of what to call by turn 5 regardless of what you're doing. For me playing Omni in this format is the epitome of lazy deckbuilding. What's wrong with a challenge? |
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| Nazrat | May 25 2013, 07:44 PM Post #32 |
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So, as far as I can tell, we have the following choices: To Ban: SuperAzn OMB minivan Not to Ban: blues lycan_wolf fiercesnorlax That's only 6 people. Where's the other 7? |
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| Fierce Snorlax | May 26 2013, 03:42 AM Post #33 |
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ok. ill give you mystique and starks armory. cyclops...eh...the ones that are payment arent getting played. mimic: the only one that this is affected by is the 6 drop. 50/50 on that one. if we see wolverine, we wont see that version (i know you mentioned that) and if quicksilver does not kill you by 5, something is wrong. we are all looking at this as omi stopping the legend cards. what about looking at it as how omi slows down/stops the play style of the deck? i mean...lets be honest. if you are facing ig burn with doom/lex as legends, you arent calling the legend cards from either one of those guys. you wanna call scarecrow and circe. they are the problem. certain decks cannot compete with the sheer amount of aggression/burn that can be produced. i personally am not a fan of being burned to death, and not much can stop that. |
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| Nazrat | May 26 2013, 01:43 PM Post #34 |
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Still haven't heard from the other 7 people. I hope people who aren't coming are voting in this.. |
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| pptmaster | May 26 2013, 08:59 PM Post #35 |
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Hey all! I think this is a great discussion about the banning of the cards but at this point i think a decision just needs to be made. True, not everyone will be happy with the decision but its gonna take a while before all 17 people post reasons why or why not (I know I check about once a week and many of my friends even less than that) and it sorta eliminates the idea of voting being anonymous and we'd hate to have people upset with each other. One thing I was never quite sure about was why there is no option for just Omni to be banned or just PA to be banned and instead its all or nothing but whatever. Whether its setting a date for the final vote or nazrat just deciding himself its all the same to me. All that set aside I'm just happy there is going to be a VS tournament and I just want a yes or a no already so I can finish building my deck.
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| SuperAzn | May 27 2013, 11:52 AM Post #36 |
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Agreed, can we just go yes or no, this debate is old and the tournament date is approaching. Some of us need to know asap as it changes what we might be playing completely. |
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| nedleeds | May 27 2013, 05:04 PM Post #37 |
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I think they promote easy, lazy deck building. The fact that they are control cards isn't material. If you want to play control then play Doom / Kang. I also don't think ubiquity is the main problem here, as the hyper aggro decks would likely eschew the pair. If you still want to play control you can you just won't have 4-6 slots easily carved out in your deck. |
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| TOE-NEE | May 27 2013, 06:47 PM Post #38 |
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I agree with this. These cards have become a crutch for people to use in there decks. Get rid of them. |
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| Biderman | May 27 2013, 07:52 PM Post #39 |
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My playgroup and I feel constantly using those two cards for every single deck, regardless off the deck's flavor or function, really sucks the fun out of things. The last tournament I ran, I didn't ban them, but didn't see a single copy of either one. Everyone wanted to be competitive but still have fun. I think the important thing to remember, the less fun the game becomes, especially for newer players, the less likely people are to continue playing. My thoughts anyway. |
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| Nazrat | May 27 2013, 08:12 PM Post #40 |
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Ok, this is my decision. Unless someone can give me proof of a deck that will instant win without Omni/PA in the format (not an exact list, but an interaction/legend combo at least) by June 1st, I'm gonna cut them from the format. That gives this week for someone to give me a solid reason not to ban them. As far as I'm concerned, I agree with everyone here stating they are skilless cards, that suck the fun out of every tournament. I am welcome to someone proving me wrong, but I deal in facts. So show me proof. |
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| lycan_wulf | May 28 2013, 06:05 AM Post #41 |
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My question watt is an out to burn or aggro then? I say banning these cards dictact the tourney it should b up to players whether or not they should play em they are not banned via council an offers balance to one sided matchups against burn/aggro. Even without blink I can still win with exiles an build the deck within guidelines. Control decks or slow curving decks will have no chance without these cards. this is golden age where anything goes if u wanted a competitve non fun format it shouldve been modern |
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| blues686 | May 28 2013, 06:07 AM Post #42 |
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Naz im saying it right now.. A burn deck or deck revolving with out of combat stuns will run rampant in this format with out pa or omni. I am not going if its banned. Im not gonna say the team or cards involved since some of my play group still plan to go with such a stategy. Turn 4/5 kills off of burn is not fun. Getting constantly stunned everyturn out of combat is with no anwser is not fun. I have list and they are consistent but auto lose to omni and a well timed PA. |
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| kariggi | May 28 2013, 01:29 PM Post #43 |
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This seems strange blues since turn 4/5 kills are hardly preventable by cards that can't be played till turn 4/5. Omni being completely dead unless you win init., if you're burned out on 5, and few aggro decks are going to care about PA. Yeah these cards shut down Teen Titans hard, Black Heart, Doom, I see only a limited application against aggro or burn decks though. |
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| lycan_wulf | May 28 2013, 01:58 PM Post #44 |
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Watt was the point of the poll if u were gonna make tge decision to ban them basically the people who didn't want them banned opinion was meaningless |
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| Biderman | May 28 2013, 02:37 PM Post #45 |
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Well, the poll results, currently show a tie, 9 for, 9 against... |
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