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Gencon 2013
Topic Started: May 21 2013, 04:07 PM (1,832 Views)
Lex Luthor Jr
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Kaine
Jul 2 2013, 06:04 PM
I go to gencon every year, but haven't played VS since 2009. What day is the tournament usually on? Where is it held?
Typically it is on Friday and held in the Main Hall.
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Still Friday in the main hall!

We're doing two events like last year.

1) Sealed

2) Constructed BYOTT - No Generics.

It will be interesting to see what turns out. This wasn't my decision by the way. Last year's tournament goers voted on this format after last year's tournament ended. I figured it was best to let the people that actually pay-to-play decide the event! I was personally rooting for Random Punks ;)
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Will you be doing the constructed in the morning like usual or switching it to the afternoon?
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Do we have any full, official rules listed somewhere, Scott? I know you were asking for opinions a while ago, and I was just wondering if anything was decided upon. I'd like to know the final rules, banned cards, etc. (If it's not too late, is there anything we can do about Spider-Stall? It keeps me awake at night.)

I'd also like to know what time the events are. And any word on what set we'll be playing in the sealed?
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Jul 6 2013, 08:45 PM
If it's not too late, is there anything we can do about Spider-Stall? It keeps me awake at night.
No clue if there's enough time before the tourney to make the change, but I'd say the easiest fix is banning 6 drop Scarlet Spider.

Just like the banning of TNB a version of the deck will still be playable, but the power level should be far more manageable than what you see when you can make Spidey non-unique.
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Jul 6 2013, 09:03 PM
No clue if there's enough time before the tourney to make the change, but I'd say the easiest fix is banning 6 drop Scarlet Spider.

Just like the banning of TNB a version of the deck will still be playable, but the power level should be far more manageable than what you see when you can make Spidey non-unique.
I'd agree with that.
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Lex Luthor Jr
Jul 6 2013, 09:11 PM
OMB
Jul 6 2013, 09:03 PM
No clue if there's enough time before the tourney to make the change, but I'd say the easiest fix is banning 6 drop Scarlet Spider.

Just like the banning of TNB a version of the deck will still be playable, but the power level should be far more manageable than what you see when you can make Spidey non-unique.
I'd agree with that.
Spider-Stall is not very good without Gift Wrapped, and to a lesser extent some of the other Spider-Tricks.

I'd be far more concerned about Avengers/Brotherhood Reservists, Good Guys, Checkmate/League, Injustice Gang/Marvel Knights and even Kree/VU Press. Any team with a strong in-house tutor to replace Mobilize and solid pump to deal with the loss of Kick/Crack/Mega/Beatdown are going to be solid.

I wonder how many mid-game losses will be given this year due to a mistake on a 'legend card' versus a 'team card'. We already got burned on Bat Got Your Tongue in testing. Easy to replace with Fizzle, but still a surprise.
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I think you're talking about some other plot twist, Homer. Bat Got Your Tongue clearly has a team-stamp on it and thus makes it completely legal for the format. I assume you're talking about the Batman legend Fizzle whose name I can't remember.
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Homer probably means From the Darkness.

Also I think you're underestimating SpiderHeralds it's still one of the strongest decks in the format even after losing Gift Wrapped.
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I don't really get why everyone is so scared of Spider-HOG in this format. Can someone enlighten me as to why it's so good?
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Spider-Friends has a really strong draw engine in Black Cat: Nine Lives and Empire State University. Couple this with Elemental Converters, and you're drawing like crazy. Aunt May: Golden Oldie gets some cycle as well.

Spider-Man: Ultimates starts the ball rolling with every new Spider-Man getting web counters. The Sensational Spider-Man can consistently exhaust your opponent's 3-drop, and can be substituted into play multiple times to replenish Web Counters. Spider-Man: Secret Avenger turns off any power and ability tricks. Turn 6 sees Daredevil: New Kingpin for attacking. On turn 7, The Amazing Spider-Man takes over and shuts down any hope of attack for the rest of the game. Galactus on turn 9 is then unstoppable.

Any attacks that happen to sneak by are stopped by Absorba Shield and Spider-Senses. Creation of a Herald and Indebted gets you pretty much any character you want.

I just want to point out also how ridiculous the mirror match for this would be. The game basically comes down to who wins the dice roll at the start of the game. The player who wins the rolls chooses to go second and victory is all but guaranteed.
Edited by Lex Luthor Jr, Jul 7 2013, 08:39 AM.
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There are no formats that constructed is balanced. There will always be decks that are too strong. First it was Modern Age, then it was Silver Age. Then we got crazy legend, BYOS, BYOT, BYOTT, BYOTT w/o generics.

All of this is fun and all the first few times for events then the best teams get exploited or the casual players just can't keep up. Personally if you wanna just enjoy the game and not worry about that guy showing up using Lost City BYOTT, Spiderfriends + ANYthing, or TNNB + ANYthing. Just play Sealed or Draft.

They are both great formats for VS packs before MVL. MUN is arguably ok to draft and sealed but I wouldn't touch MEV or MVL. Too many legend cards in MVL and MEV doesn't need to be explained.

Honestly other than that you just have to expect the better decks to be made and played. Even though this game dropped to a casual level. Some people enjoy playing those decks. Banning one or the other or altering the rules just seems like delaying the inevitable.

Not knocking these events at all. It is nice seeing poeple still keeping the VS scene alive. Just my opinion on the "formats choice" topic.
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What from Spider-Heralds could be banned to possibly nerf them? I honestly can't think of just one card. Is Lost City worth banning too? I honestly think it could be one of the best cards in the format unless you are one of the VERY few teams to directly counter it, like Kang or Darkseid's Elite (stopping power ups and resource row hate, respectively)
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Jul 8 2013, 01:25 AM
There are no formats that constructed is balanced. There will always be decks that are too strong. First it was Modern Age, then it was Silver Age. Then we got crazy legend, BYOS, BYOT, BYOTT, BYOTT w/o generics.
I understand that every format is still going to have teams/decks that are going to stronger than others. There's more to it than that.

The difference is how Spider-Friends runs. It's possible to use some strategy and a little luck to beat most other decks. A creative build might have enough of a surprise factor to take out the heavy-hitters. Spider-Friends, however, leaves no room to do anything. It doesn't even let you think you have a chance.

Spider-Friends is annoying, frustrating, and frankly no fun to play against. The main reason I want to attend events like these is to play against different people who come up with interesting ideas, see how they execute them, and have some fun. Spider-Friends doesn't do that. It just makes me wonder why I showed up.

Also, as I said before, the mirror-match is basically a coin toss. Why bother playing the game itself?
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Jul 8 2013, 03:42 AM
What from Spider-Heralds could be banned to possibly nerf them? I honestly can't think of just one card. Is Lost City worth banning too? I honestly think it could be one of the best cards in the format unless you are one of the VERY few teams to directly counter it, like Kang or Darkseid's Elite (stopping power ups and resource row hate, respectively)
As I mentioned above I'm 90% sure that the banning of Scarlet Spider would significantly reduce the power of the deck by not allowing you to break Spider-Man's uniqueness.

I don't think that Lost City variants are good enough to warrant banning it. I beat a few Lost City decks with a Secret Society/MK deck. Lost City is good, but I don't think it's broken good.

Also to Wally, while I agree that every format has a few "best" decks the TO has already eliminated the best agro options from the format by banning TNB. Why not also weaken the best stall deck as well to really open up the tournament? That way people can feel much better about playing something different without getting crushed by the normal beasts.
Edited by OMB, Jul 8 2013, 04:55 AM.
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