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Topic Started: Oct 21 2013, 11:22:39 PM (30,875 Views)
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Nov 30 2013, 01:12:08 AM
Pure, how did you feel about Lesnar-HHH?
It was... Okay. It wasn't a complete dud to me but it never really clicked either. Brock Lesnar was a lot more into it than Triple H was though. You could hear his roars up the isles. Also you could see the infamous "Brock Lesnar Guy" marking the fuck out in the front so it made it slightly more memorable, even if were just for weird things like that. Nothing from Triple H during the match was all that memorable. I thought it was still better than Rock/Cena II. It doesn't help that it followed Punk/Taker, the only particularly "Wrestlemania Quality" match on the card.
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I also thought that the placement of the HHH-Lesnar match following Punk-Taker was questionable. You'd think that after WM25 with HHH main eventing that following, while not directly, the HBK-Taker match WWE would have learned it's lesson. But yeah, it was "better" than Rock-Cena as it featured some wrestling moves that weren't just finishers, but I can't hate too much on Rock-Cena with Rock's hernia that probably measured a 3.0 on the Richter scale when it happened. Not saying the match would have been better, but who knows.

Still, Rock-Cena II was a bad idea, just like Lesnar-HHH II.
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John Cena also had food poisoning, supposedly.

Honestly WM29 in general, even being there live, just didn't feel "Special". It felt like a B PPV, which is terrible for WM. Even WM28, even though I don't think that WM is even good, it still feels "Special". It still felt really important. But this one didn't at all. Very sad. TLC 2012 in Brooklyn felt more special live lol.
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Pretty much anything that features the Shield in any capacity is special. I forgot to post my praise on how good the Shield is in that they always deliver high quality no matter what the situation is. Sure, some of their involvement in feuds has questionable storylines, but overall what they put forth in the ring and what Ambrose, and to some extent Rollins and even Reigns, do on the mic is just amazing.

If we want to start setting the bar for what future wrestlers should be doing compared to the current generation of wrestlers, the Shield are the standard bearers for what guys 5, 10, 15 years from now should be aiming for. If the Shield stuck together for another 2 to 3 years, they'd be Hall of Famers. I can't, and no one can, praise the Shield enough for what they've done the past year; even through bad booking at times, the Shield still find a way to look like a dominant force that even the NWO at the height of its power would have difficulty stopping.
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Yeah even their WM29 match was pretty solid and their match at TLC 2012 had everyone leaving the arena talking, even though they didn't even main event (Main event was Ziggler Vs. Cena, another great match).

Supposedly they want to break up The Shield soon already which is a bit silly. They're still so over and still so fresh somehow. Everytime their music hits, people are always like "Oh fuck...", kind of like whenever Brock Lesnar returns.
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Anyway, I wanted to talk more about how useless Fandango and Curtis Axel are. Fandango has turned into the appendix of the WWE, in that he is utterly useless. I mean Curtis Axel's appendix is more useful than Fandango and Axel combined. It wasn't so much that Axel's got his appendix removed, but more that Axel's appendix got Axel removed from itself. Curtis Axel is so bad that he holds down his appendix to the point where even his appendix had to sever contact, literally, with Axel to improve itself.

I hear that Axel's appendix wrestles on the Indy circut under the name "Davey Richards"
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Well. Fandango on NXT was one of those so weird he was good, characters. I dunno what it is but whenever he was on the screen it was just so... Weird. I dunno. Seems like he could be a good, kind of wacky midcard guy with a more focused wrestling ability. That gimmick just doesn't fucking work for him though, particularly overscripting the guy.

Axel is just fuck. He's basically a Del Rio that even less people talk about. Holy fuck.
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Yeah even their WM29 match was pretty solid and their match at TLC 2012 had everyone leaving the arena talking, even though they didn't even main event (Main event was Ziggler Vs. Cena, another great match).

Supposedly they want to break up The Shield soon already which is a bit silly. They're still so over and still so fresh somehow. Everytime their music hits, people are always like "Oh fuck...", kind of like whenever Brock Lesnar returns.
The Shield are f*cking brilliant. It's been a year since they debuted, but from their inaugral match at TLC '12 to their impressive debut at Mania, to the awesome main event match they had on Raw against Rhodes Bros. they just make the best of every oppurtunity they get together. Breaking them up would probably destroy all the energy they have. It's simple phsyics: objects in motion stay in motion.
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Nov 30 2013, 01:59:53 AM
Well. Fandango on NXT was one of those so weird he was good, characters. I dunno what it is but whenever he was on the screen it was just so... Weird. I dunno. Seems like he could be a good, kind of wacky midcard guy with a more focused wrestling ability. That gimmick just doesn't fucking work for him though, particularly overscripting the guy.

Axel is just fuck. He's basically a Del Rio that even less people talk about. Holy fuck.
Axel is a guy who does nothing, says nothing, and is nothing. All he did since his debut is walk around with a goofy fucking smile on his face like he just came out of the closet after Seven Minutes in Heaven with the head cheerleader of the Dallas Cowboys and thought he was on Cloud 9 because he got Paul Heyman to be his manager. He's been given everything in his career without him so much as earning it simply because his dad is Mr. Perfect and when the going got tough, he cracked at the appendectomy scar.

If neopotism in the wrestling world could take the form of a man, Curtis Axel is what it would look like. Hell, Del Rio makes more sense being in WWE because he can at least pander to the Mexican crowd, but Axel can't pander to anybody in the crowd apart from his family, who probably don't even like him. Can you imagine Axel at the Thanksgiving table?
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And within 1 fucking month of his debut, what does WWE do? Have him "beat" John Cena and Triple H and win the Intercontinental Championship?

AXEL DID NOTHING TO WARRENT ANY OF THOSE THINGS!!!!!
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Yeah I dunno. When I first saw the guy I was like... "Yeah... I guess I'll give him a chance."

He's one of those guys that I don't even know can really be salvaged with any particular gimmick or booking. Not even sure if Jim Ross could make this guy interesting.
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Nov 30 2013, 02:14:59 AM
Yeah I dunno. When I first saw the guy I was like... "Yeah... I guess I'll give him a chance."

He's one of those guys that I don't even know can really be salvaged with any particular gimmick or booking. Not even sure if Jim Ross could make this guy interesting.
He'd need to do something really controversial, like Pillman's got a gun controversial. In fact it should involve a gun, and Curtis Axel attempting suicide after being bullied by Paul Heyman.

That might help put him over, but it's a longshot, no pun intended.
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Speaking of Brian Pillman, Ambrose really reminds me of him.
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I don't really remember Brian Pillman much, but I do know that he was truly gifted athletically only to be injured so severly that he could never wrestle the same again. After the injury, he upped his mic work to be very good and that even today people such as yourself remember him for his character.

If Ambrose really is as good as Pillman in that category, he's got my backing (which he already had :D)
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I was referring to both of their demeanor's being very similar.
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Xavier Woods is disappointing... to me at least. I know he wasn't a star or anything in TNA, but now he's a comedy character in WWE. Seems like a step down imo.
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Comedy character in WWE > TNA midcarder. :kappa:
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Financially yes, critically no.
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I wonder what the average salary is for WWE wrestlers? It's gotta be somewhere around $150k
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It should be much more than that, even for hardcore jobbers like 3MB.
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