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| TruthTellers | Nov 30 2013, 03:21:20 AM Post #201 |
Barry Horowitz
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Yeah, but Health Slater is from the South. The South has no minimum wage laws, so I'm guessing that Heath gets paid in chicken scraps and deep fried candy bars. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 30 2013, 06:27:42 AM Post #202 |
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While Jericho vs Fandango was nothing particularly memorable, it still became one of the better matches on the card. At least it was shorter than the likes of HHH/Lesnar and Cena/Rock. I'll take a mediocre, short match > over a long, boring one any day of the week. To sum it up, it at least served its purpose of pushing a newbie by giving him a significant win. Almost everything else relied on veterans and legends (And most did not turn out to be what I would consider 'good' anyway). |
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| Deleted User | Nov 30 2013, 07:20:20 AM Post #203 |
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Wrestlemania 29 Review. The show opened with a video package showing the devastation that Hurricane Sandy had left on New York/New Jersey fairly recently. Admirable, but not particularly necessary to the proceedings. We then get a decent video package showing the importance of Wrestlemania, and how it effects us. I've seen better ones at previous Wrestlemania's, but this was still somewhat well-made. The Shield vs. Randy Orton, Big Show, and Sheamus  I found this to be a decent start to the show, and I think most of the talent involved came off pretty strong (More notably The Shield). It had decent pacing, but nothing really stood out to make it a truly memorable opener. The Shield were fairly impressive, though. It was given a somewhat decent length too, almost coming close to the 11 minute mark. RATING: ** 1/2 Stars. Not something I'll remember, but a nice way to warm-up the audience (Who were fairly decent throughout this match) and a strong win for The Shield. After the match finishes, tempers flair, and Big Show takes out his team with some weak 'Knock-Out' punches. I thought Big Show turning on Orton/Sheamus had been fairly predictable at this point. Yet another video package is shown. It serves as build-up for the Rock/Cena match later on, but seems strange to have at this point. I was actually confused at first, as I thought The Rock vs John Cena would have been starting this early. Not sure why they needed so many promo's for their match, in which this particular video came off as a waste of time. Which was a shame, considering the video was decently made. Mark Henry vs. Ryback  This match wasn't very good. Mark Henry put on a decent performance, and I'm glad he won. It's just a shame that the match was incredibly slow from the get-go. The finish was very lacklustre too, but at least it didn't take up a large amount of time (Around 8 minutes in length). I think these two have the potential to pull off a decent match together, but this just wasn't their night. RATING: ** Stars. The crowd seemed to be fairly interested nearer the beginning, but they soon died down. After the match, Ryback was finally able to perform his finisher on Henry. I hope that if another match between the two takes place, it has a lot more effort put into it. We have another video package giving support to the Special Olympics. Again, very admirable for the WWE to acknowledge, but I'm not sure how it fits into a Wrestlemania show. We then get build-up for Wrestlemania 30 in a pretty short video. Nothing really needs to be said here. It was short enough not to become offensive. Team Hell-No vs. Dolph Ziggler and Big E Langston (WWE Tag-Team Championship)  This was fairly decent match, but much like the opening match it didn't really leave a mark. Daniel Bryan put on a fairly good performance, but everyone else in match felt as though they had been putting on a fairly routine effort. Although, with that said, Bryan and Ziggler did have decent chemistry together during the opening moments. Dolph Ziggler ended up botching more times than he should have within such a short time frame (The match being around 7 minutes in length). Team Hell-No winning and walking out together became pretty surprising, as I thought this could have been a great moment for a turn between the two. RATING: ** 1/2 Stars. A somewhat decent match, but at the same time, very forgettable. We are then treated to a 'Make-A-Wish' video package, narrated by John Cena. Fairly short, so I have no problems with it being advertised. Chris Jericho vs. Fandango  Chris Jericho put on a very good performance in this match, trying his very hardest to make Fandango look good. It's sad to see such a good performance from Jericho not being taken advantaged of (On Fandango's part). I do think it still became a surprisingly okay match, and in my opinion one of the better matches of the night. It had a brisk pace, but sadly the only things that held it back had been Fandango's overall performance. That, and a few noticeable botches near the end. Fandango beats Jericho with a pinning predicament that felt rather rushed (Finishing the match at around the 9 minute mark). RATING: ** 1/2 Stars. A decent match. Jericho was clearly trying to make it noticeable in some way (As well as his opponent). It's just a shame his opponent didn't give much in return. We're shown footage for the Dark match that took place between The Miz and Wade Barret (For the Intercontinental Championship). I wish this had made it on the card, because there was a later segment at this years Wrestlemania that became completely unacceptable, and Wade/Miz could have made it on the card if 'said' segment hadn't have taken place. We get a video package that seems like it was promoting The Rock. Not sure why there were so many build-up promo's featuring Cena and The Rock during this PPV. Now we come to the segment aforementioned a little earlier in this review -- that really shouldn't have taken place at all. P. Diddy puts on a concert for no real reason. I honestly have no idea why this was here, and it served little to no purpose. Alberto Del Rio vs. Jack Swagger (World Heavyweight Championship)  The match was no where near as good as I wanted it to be, but it wasn't completely void of quality. It had its moments, but clearly Swagger and Del Rio just haven't got much chemistry in the ring together. It had decent pacing, decent moments, a couple of good reversals, but was also teeming with an over-abundance of botches. The crowd seemed to be uninterested throughout, which didn't help the matter. It was just yet another match that came off as forgettable, which seems to be the running motif of the show thus far. Alberto made Swagger submit at around the 10-11 minute mark. RATING: ** Stars. It had its moments, but just felt mediocre for the most part. We cut to a national guard video, but was short enough for me not to mind all that much. The Undertaker vs. CM Punk (With Paul Heyman)  We finally get a match that truly delivered more than expected for the show. Although, there were major problems that held this match back from being truly brilliant. Unlike previous Wrestlemania's, there had not been a single point during this match to make me believe Punk would pin Taker. I never got the feeling that Undertaker's streak was being put in jeopardy during the bout what-so-ever. Though, I think it was a major weakness that could not be avoided. The Undertaker kicked out of multiple finishers/predicaments in his matches with Shawn/HHH, which really effected my suspension of disbelief for any Wrestlemania match Undertaker might have in the future. That said, I'm glad Undertaker had more of a 'Wrestling' match this time round. It happens to be one of the reasons that helped me enjoy it a lot more that HHH/Taker's Wrestlemania 27 encounter, but probably on par with HHH/Taker's match from the previous year (Although, great for different reasons). Kudos goes to Punk for putting on a great performance, even after clearly hurting himself after a blown Announce Table spot (Which was brutal). I think it's one of those botches that actually added to the match. I have to say though, I've seen far better encounters against The Undertaker. I'd probably consider this match on the same level as the Orton/Taker match, from Wrestlemania 21. Undertaker pinned CM Punk at around the 22 minute mark. RATING: **** Stars. A great match, but it lacked substance. The crowd were great throughout, and it was the only match that delivered 'somewhat' on its potential. WWE announces that they made a donation to the Troops. Surprisingly short considering their generosity, so I didn't mind at all. We then get a video package for John Cena. Went on far too long, and would have worked better before the actual Main Event. Triple H (With Shawn Michaels) vs. Brock Lesnar (With Paul Heyman, No Holds Barred)  This match started off okay, but really became the most overly long match on this card. A lot of this bout, for lack of a better word -- became 'boring'. I'm not sure if there is another word that could describe the match more effectively. Even the crowd became uninterested during this bout, only occasionally picking-up slightly (Mostly during the closing moments). I'm honestly not sure how anyone could have cared about this, given how badly the build-up had been to begin with. In the end, that was yet another major weakness going into this fight. It really became about as decent as their Summerslam match (Which also suffered from the exact same flaws). Heyman and Michaels never really gained any utilization, practically becoming non-entities during the proceeding encounter. That said, it did have 'some' moments that kept my attention. I just wish this hadn't taken up so much space, because I think this may have hurt the match even more. RATING: ** 1/2 Stars. About as good as their Summerslam match-up, but that isn't really saying much. We have short video package for the upcoming Extreme Rules. Short, but sweet. Immediately after, we are treated to a movie trailer, which didn't take up much time. We then look back at the recent Hall Of Fame ceremony, highlighting some of the more prominent parts. I didn't mind this, as I feel it makes sense to be part of the PPV. The Hall Of Fame class of 2013 then go on to gain their usual moment in the spotlight and acknowledgement during Wrestlemania. Yet another Wreslemania 30 advertisement takes place. Nothing really worth noting, as it was a very short video. The Rock vs. John Cena (WWE Championship)  This match featured some moments of flair, but surprisingly killed the crowd (As they probably realized this was 'it' as far as what Wrestlemania will be delivering this year). I think much of the match was okay, but lacked any real depth (Unlike last year, which at least maintained 'some' depth between their persona's). Although, it did pick up pretty well near the end, including the crowd for that matter. It's a shame it had to rely on so many false finishers, but that happened to be the only thing that saved this match from becoming an even bigger disappointment. I think it could have improved by being shorter (The match came in at around 24 minutes in length). I'm afraid to say that I thought last years match was far better, though. RATING: *** Stars. Whilst a disappointing close to the show, it was still a fairly good overall match (A slight step-up from most of the other matches. Which is a real shame, as this Wrestlemania was not very good in my opinion, and this match could have potentially saved it a little. I couldn't really be disappointed by this years Wrestlemania, as I wasn't looking forward to it all that much to begin with. This doesn't excuse the show for being VERY below par, though (IMO). I'm fairly certain this was the worst Wrestlemania from Wrestlemania 20 and on-wards. Perhaps one of the worst Wrestlemania's overall (Top 5 material). It didn't help that it was given some awful build-up, featured rematches, featured a card revolving around wrestlers past their time, and generally felt like a lazily booked show. The audience seemed to find the event lacklustre as the night went on (Not including the Punk/Taker match), and it just felt as though they had giving up near the end. That's not to say I completely hated the show. It definitely featured 'some' high points, but probably won't be a Wrestlemania I'll remember in the future. Overall PPV Rating: ** Stars. If it wasn't for such a lame build-up that didn't help the show, an insane amount of video packages for a single match, a completely wasted segment that featured a concert, and a complete lack of backstage interviews/Wrestlemania moments; I would have easily rated this higher. It's simply not a very good show (IMO), and I honestly can't help but express these overall thoughts/feelings towards it. Anyway, that's just my analysis/review of the show. If you liked it, then I'm glad. I certainly didn't 'want' to hate it. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 30 2013, 07:23:35 AM Post #204 |
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Cryceaye's star ratings for the matches: The Shield vs Randy Orton, Big Show, and Sheamus - ** 1/2 Stars. Ryback vs Mark Henry - * 1/2 Stars. Team Hell-No vs Dolph Ziggler and Big E Langston - * 1/2 Stars. Chris Jericho vs Fandango - ** 1/2 Stars. The Undertaker vs CM Punk - *** Stars. Triple H vs Brock Lesnar - ** Stars. The Rock vs John Cena - ** Stars. The only matches he remotely enjoyed were the opening one, Jericho/Fandango, and Punk/Taker. He thought it was the worst Wrestlemania he has seen in a long time, and couldn't help but complain about everything (Which I ended up doing on more than a few occasions too). |
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| Deleted User | Nov 30 2013, 08:11:03 AM Post #205 |
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It's not as strange as you may think. Taker/Michaels not only sounds bigger than Punk/Taker (IMO), but they had been making subtle hints at a possible showdown between those two for years. So comparing them doesn't really make a whole lick of sense, because I doubt anybody was expecting an encounter to the magnitude of HBK/Taker. In fact, considering HHH's success during the previous Wrestlemania's beforehand, and the fact you have Brock Lesnar making his comeback on the grandest stage of them all; I honestly don't find the placement questionable in the slightest. Before knowing Taker vs Punk would become the best match of the night, I doubt many people would have questioned the actual placement. It's easy to question it now, since you know it was a great match. If it had been a terrible match, I doubt most people would care as much. Saying that, the crowd seemed to be dead nearer the end of the night anyway. So I'm glad the match took place slightly earlier, otherwise it may have turned into another Edge vs Jericho from Wrestlemania 26. Great match, but because people had been so bummed out by watching that travesty of a match that took place beforehand, it took them a while to get back into gear. They only started realising how good the match was when it had been too late, which would likely have happened to Taker vs Punk -- if they had gone on after HHH/Lesnar. |
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| Pure | Nov 30 2013, 04:12:22 PM Post #206 |
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The Shield vs Randy Orton, Big Show, and Sheamus - *** Stars. Ryback vs Mark Henry - ** Stars. Team Hell-No vs Dolph Ziggler and Big E Langston - ** 1/2 Stars. Chris Jericho vs Fandango - * 1/2 Stars. The Undertaker vs CM Punk - **** Stars. Triple H vs Brock Lesnar - ** Stars. The Rock vs John Cena - ** Stars. If I had to rate them, but I generally try to avoid doing that. Saw it live though so it's not really the same lol. |
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| TruthTellers | Dec 1 2013, 02:41:23 AM Post #207 |
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pokajabba: Undertaker hasn't had a bad match at Wrestlemania for years now, so to think that Punk and Taker would put on a poor performance when they've both proven to be competant wrestlers, especially in the case of Taker, is absurd. Also, I don't think that WWE schedules its card based on speculation of how well matches will be recieved critically by the fans, but more of how to best utilize the emotions and pacing of the matches to hold fans interest; HHH-Lesnar was obviously poor placement on the card and overall a terrible match. |
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| TruthTellers | Dec 1 2013, 02:50:12 AM Post #208 |
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I think we can all agree that Wrestlemania 29 was a bad, BAD show. I bought X8 and XIX back in the day and those shows had that "special" feel to them, much more than WM29 which felt like a cheap champagne. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 1 2013, 12:27:46 PM Post #209 |
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Considering the emotional punch Triple H delivered with The Undertaker during Wrestlemania 28, it's quite obvious WWE felt they had something similar in mind for the HHH/Lesnar encounter. They even added Shawn Michaels into the mix just because adding him the previous year worked out so well. I'm not saying they were right thinking that way, but the actual placement doesn't feel absurd in the slightest. And let's not forget that The Undertaker's matches are bound to have everyone's attention no matter how lacklustre they become in retrospect. Undertaker vs Triple H for example, during Wrestlemania 27. While not particularly bad, I wouldn't exactly call it great neither. I still feel Undertaker's opponents were what effected the overall quality of the match (Not necessarily himself). Undertaker's streak naturally brings in the added bonus of tension and drama (At least it used too in my opinion). And like I already stated, given how things have turned out in the past, I was somewhat glad with Taker and Punk's placement. Having them go on any later may have impacted the reaction from the audience. It has happened many times before, so given how things transpired, I believe it may have been one of the better decisions WWE made that night. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 1 2013, 12:29:02 PM Post #210 |
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And I thought Wrestlemania 27 was bad XD |
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| Pure | Dec 1 2013, 06:19:33 PM Post #211 |
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WM27 is about as bad as WM9. |
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| Pure | Dec 1 2013, 09:55:27 PM Post #212 |
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  WAS ON RAW WAS ON RAWWWWWWW
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| Deleted User | Dec 1 2013, 09:58:49 PM Post #213 |
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| kkirbyyi_ | Dec 1 2013, 10:02:04 PM Post #214 |
~Jung Nicholas 정니콜라스
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Ladies and Gentlemen. . . Can I have some decorum, please? I'm afraid I have some BAD NEWS! #BadNewsKirby 7.22.14 | |
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| Pure | Dec 1 2013, 10:04:05 PM Post #215 |
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You don't appreciate the gloriousness of being on RAW. also WHEN'S MAHVUL?
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| Pure | Dec 2 2013, 01:43:46 AM Post #216 |
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Brock Lesnar is Hitler's wet dream. ...Until he lost to a Jew at Wrestlemania XX.
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| TruthTellers | Dec 2 2013, 01:58:10 AM Post #217 |
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Gonna sound like a total douche here but... Brock Lesnar has fillings and in Hitler's SS, nobody could even have a filling to join the elite unit because they weren't "pure" enough. Lesnar isn't Hitler's wet dream, Sarah Bäckman probably is. Edited by TruthTellers, Dec 2 2013, 01:59:00 AM.
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| Pure | Dec 2 2013, 07:46:11 PM Post #218 |
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2013, 01:06:59 PM Post #219 |
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| kkirbyyi_ | Dec 3 2013, 01:27:56 PM Post #220 |
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I loved WCW/nWo Revenge. It was the predecessor to WWF No Mercy, and I always enjoyed the vast roster and sound gameplay Revenge had to offer. |
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Ladies and Gentlemen. . . Can I have some decorum, please? I'm afraid I have some BAD NEWS! #BadNewsKirby 7.22.14 | |
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