Fromage

Jan 14 2015, 09:29:58 PM

No Cena and Rusev. Let Ryback be the one who stops Rusev.

TGM

Jan 14 2015, 10:11:25 PM

Why are we still seeing Bryan vs. Kane matches? hardcore

Fromage

Jan 14 2015, 09:29:58 PM

No Cena and Rusev. Let Ryback be the one who stops Rusev.

T-Unit

Jan 15 2015, 02:49:59 AM

TGM

Jan 14 2015, 10:11:25 PM

Why are we still seeing Bryan vs. Kane matches? hardcore

Because WWE wants to fuck Bryan up the ass with the Big Red Machine.

Honestly, there's no reason to make Bryan-Kane into the next Cena-Orton. I can understand booking Bryan with Kane for his return because Kane is a part time jobber now, but WWE didn't do Bryan any favors putting him with Kane after Mania last year and tossing Brie into the feud. Kane and Bryan have no chemistry when they wrestle each other, but have a decent amount when they're part of a tag team.

pokajabba

Jan 15 2015, 09:51:06 AM

T-Unit

Jan 15 2015, 02:49:59 AM

TGM

Jan 14 2015, 10:11:25 PM

Why are we still seeing Bryan vs. Kane matches? hardcore

Because WWE wants to fuck Bryan up the ass with the Big Red Machine.

Honestly, there's no reason to make Bryan-Kane into the next Cena-Orton. I can understand booking Bryan with Kane for his return because Kane is a part time jobber now, but WWE didn't do Bryan any favors putting him with Kane after Mania last year and tossing Brie into the feud. Kane and Bryan have no chemistry when they wrestle each other, but have a decent amount when they're part of a tag team.

I'm not particularly bothered by it myself. It just means WWE will remain consistent with past events. Usually when someone is absent from wrestling due to an injury and then return sometime later, they'd be forced to start from square one, but in the case of Bryan it seems WWE are trying to pick things up where they left off. So while I agree pairing him up with Kane again may be a slightly mundane move for them to follow through with, at least this comes with the advantage of not forcing fans to sit through yet another year dedicated to building him up from scratch. Besides, just because he's facing Kane again, doesn't automatically mean they'll be feuding for a long period of time. The writers only really need to make sure the audience acknowledges his existence again, and is still as strong as when he left off back in May of last year (beating Kane at Extreme Rules).

Making a return around the time the Royal Rumble is about to start was a great move (IMO), as Daniel Bryan can benefit from this sort of match immensely. Eliminating a large portion of superstars and then going on to survive to the very end (he doesn't even necessarily have to win) is a surefire way to make Bryan look strong in such a short amount of time.

T-Unit

Jan 15 2015, 11:14:51 AM

Kane feuds suck, it's that simple. Why did WWE try to poison Bryan's title reign last year with Kane from the very beginning? It's not because WWE didn't have anybody better to work Bryan, it's because WWE wants to sabotage Bryan. Punk has given plenty of evidence that WWE will sabotage people they don't like, even though they're popular with fans because, I hate to say it, WWE thinks it's best for business. The Slim Jim commercials, the tattoo reality show, etc. I don't believe Punk is lying that he was supposed to be involved in those things and WWE told the producers of them, "You don't want Punk, you want Orton, Big Show, Mysterio, etc." WWE was looking for an excuse with Bryan as champion by putting him with bad Kane feuds because putting Bryan into better feuds would destroy WWE's narrative of Bryan being a poor champion.

Bryan may be a poor champion, but you have to let that play itself out. Putting Bryan with Kane is a certified death sentence that builds nothing.

I had the feeling last year that WWE was going to book Kane-Bryan at three straight ppv's and then in August have Bryan drop the belt to Brock at SummerSlam. It's somewhat of a good thing that Bryan left due to injury because he left before the ice bath known as Kane could cool his run down. IMO, Bryan is supposed to be a wrestler and WWE had him driving forklifts during title matches. That's about as far from wrestling as one can get, but WWE isn't into wrestling, they're into "Sports Entertainment" or whatever they call it these days.

I'm not hating on Kane here, because he's one of the guys I enjoy watching in the corporate gimmick, but his monster gimmick is awful. And I know it sounds like a typical TT post saying WWE is conspiring against Bryan, but you look at WrestleMania 30 and what that ppv did to build to the future and then you see how the product following that event had destroyed it and how it did the same with Survivor Series. All I want is for WWE to just give Bryan the right people to work with for a while, Kane attempting to kidnap Brie last year isn't what most want to see, but it's what WWE gave us. Put Bryan with Rollins, put Bryan with Lesnar, put Bryan with Rusev, just keep him away from Kane, Show, and Orton.

And poka I know your apologetic argument will be something like "Oh, WWE likes to test these guys and put them in these bad feuds or jobbing streaks to see if they can hold up" and so forth. If WWE really wanted to make new stars, they wouldn't put Bryan into working with Kane. A better idea at the time would have been to put Bryan with Cesaro, who had just won the Andre the Giant battle royal. That would have been an all time great feud and would have elevated both guys, the Battle Royal itself, and the WWE title which had been in a poor state following those awful Cena-Orton matches the months prior to Mania.

Jeez, the points I have to pull up and arguments I have to make to destroy your WWE apologizing.

pokajabba

Jan 15 2015, 12:45:32 PM

T-Unit

Jan 15 2015, 11:14:51 AM

Kane feuds suck, it's that simple. Why did WWE try to poison Bryan's title reign last year with Kane from the very beginning? It's not because WWE didn't have anybody better to work Bryan, it's because WWE wants to sabotage Bryan. Punk has given plenty of evidence that WWE will sabotage people they don't like, even though they're popular with fans because, I hate to say it, WWE thinks it's best for business. The Slim Jim commercials, the tattoo reality show, etc. I don't believe Punk is lying that he was supposed to be involved in those things and WWE told the producers of them, "You don't want Punk, you want Orton, Big Show, Mysterio, etc." WWE was looking for an excuse with Bryan as champion by putting him with bad Kane feuds because putting Bryan into better feuds would destroy WWE's narrative of Bryan being a poor champion.

Bryan may be a poor champion, but you have to let that play itself out. Putting Bryan with Kane is a certified death sentence that builds nothing.

I had the feeling last year that WWE was going to book Kane-Bryan at three straight ppv's and then in August have Bryan drop the belt to Brock at SummerSlam. It's somewhat of a good thing that Bryan left due to injury because he left before the ice bath known as Kane could cool his run down. IMO, Bryan is supposed to be a wrestler and WWE had him driving forklifts during title matches. That's about as far from wrestling as one can get, but WWE isn't into wrestling, they're into "Sports Entertainment" or whatever they call it these days.

I'm not hating on Kane here, because he's one of the guys I enjoy watching in the corporate gimmick, but his monster gimmick is awful. And I know it sounds like a typical TT post saying WWE is conspiring against Bryan, but you look at WrestleMania 30 and what that ppv did to build to the future and then you see how the product following that event had destroyed it and how it did the same with Survivor Series. All I want is for WWE to just give Bryan the right people to work with for a while, Kane attempting to kidnap Brie last year isn't what most want to see, but it's what WWE gave us. Put Bryan with Rollins, put Bryan with Lesnar, put Bryan with Rusev, just keep him away from Kane, Show, and Orton.

And poka I know your apologetic argument will be something like "Oh, WWE likes to test these guys and put them in these bad feuds or jobbing streaks to see if they can hold up" and so forth. If WWE really wanted to make new stars, they wouldn't put Bryan into working with Kane. A better idea at the time would have been to put Bryan with Cesaro, who had just won the Andre the Giant battle royal. That would have been an all time great feud and would have elevated both guys, the Battle Royal itself, and the WWE title which had been in a poor state following those awful Cena-Orton matches the months prior to Mania.

Jeez, the points I have to pull up and arguments I have to make to destroy your WWE apologizing.

I highly doubt WWE were trying to bastardize Daniel Bryan's Title Reign the way you've been putting it. It just wouldn't make any sense for them to build Bryan up for half a year and defeat the likes of Triple H, Randy Orton, John Cena, and Batista; just to then suddenly decide that the best course of action would be to purposely tarnish everything he's achieved. And where exactly does one go once they've defeated some of the largest superstars working in WWE today? The answer is backwards, because there simply wasn't much else Bryan could accomplish. He was already soaring about as high as one could possibly go, and had defeated most of the ''huge stars'' currently working in the business, which meant the only way forwards was to go backwards. And this isn't particularly a bad thing, because it can essentially simmer the pot down somewhat, and possibly builds towards something huge later on. So while I agree Kane may have been a slightly poor choice, I doubt it was done intentionally to destroy Daniel Bryan's reputation.

Maybe WWE should have considered pitting him against somebody like Cesaro (even though it's still technically a step backwards for Daniel Bryan), and that could've lead somewhere. All I know is that Bryan already reached the top, and it was only natural for him to go down a notch once Wrestlemania was over. The ball can't keep rolling forever (especially at such an insane pace), and it was probably better in the long run for WWE to ease off on the accelerator a tad bit. In a weird sort of way this can actually sometimes benefit superstars. Nothing says he wouldn't gradually build towards a new and interesting storyline again later on. Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, and practically all the other big names in WWE have fought lesser foes during a time where they were immensely popular. It's not always a bad thing for somebody to beat the odds and then go on to have a more relaxing period, as it gives the audience a short break before being pulled into another ongoing, and important story arc that may last a long time. Not that there was much else Bryan could work on once Wrestlemania was over.

And Bryan was already a superstar before going on to feud with Kane. So (IMO) the whole ''WWE fail at making new stars'' doesn't really hold up for me. Cesaro winning the ''Andre the Giant Battle Royal'' didn't really make him huge in the eyes of the general WWE Universe (hardcore fans aside). He basically won a short, albeit entertaining Battle Royal, during a huge PPV. Hardly something to write home about, and at best can be used as a pedestal to work towards better things. But to go straight from that to facing Daniel Bryan for the Title is a bit of a leap in my eyes. And would've been just as much of a step back for Bryan than if he had feuded with somebody like Kane -- who, although may not be the best person to work with, still has a bigger presence in the company than Cesaro does (sadly).

Also, why is this a ''game'' to you? You're turning what should be a normal discussion into some kind of pathetic point scoring contest. This is supposed to be a place for civil conversation, yet you always feel the need to ''try'' and undermine what I'm saying when all I did was respond to one of your comments. And who pats themselves on the back at the end of one of their own comments?

Anyway, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. But like I've said, I'm not particular bothered by WWE picking Daniel Bryan up from where he left off. Especially if he and Kane only go on to have a short-lived feud on Raw/Smackdown. Hear's hoping the creative team have bigger plans laid out for him by the time the Royal Rumble is over and done with.

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Fromage

Jan 15 2015, 05:34:04 PM

It was Wrestlemania 30: The Director's Cut.

T-Unit

Jan 15 2015, 04:51:10 PM

You're giving me the old English Two Step with all the back stepping and such.

Firstly, IMO, Bryan has been over ever since the Mania match with Sheamus, but having said that, WWE did not build him up prior to WM30. An injured Cena dropped the title to a hot Bryan at SummerSlam and Orton cashed in immediately after that match. Triple H, Orton, and Authority procededed to beat Bryan down at the end of Raw three weeks out of four not as a means to put Bryan over, but to put Triple H and Stephanie over as heels. Why nobody has acknowledged this FACT since it happened beats me. Anyway, Bryan did get the win against in the rematch against Orton at NOC, but was stripped of the title the following Raw, again, putting Triple H over as a heel. Bryan was red hot at this time, hut he was not being built up for anything. He ran into the Triple H suit and tie shovel as a means to get heat for the Authority. Following the Authority feud, Bryan got buried down the card with the Wyatt Family.

The move down the card is an actual backwards step, but it was one that had to be made because eventually the feud would run out of steam. Their was no conclusion to Michaels screwing Bryan, it ended with Bryan attacking Michaels and then the Wyatt's attacking Bryan for no reason, kind of a Wyatt trademark: attack guys to start a feud and fail to explain why they even attacked the guy. So, Bryan was getting beat down week after week by the Wyatt family and the only win he ever picked up on them was when he teamed with Punk. Having to bring Punk in to get Bryan a win doesn't make Bryan look strong at all, in fact, it made him look weak. But that wasn't the purpose of the feud, the feud was to put the Wyatt's over as heels.

Notice the pattern yet? Bryan is a heel heat magnet; he gets beat down week after week and loses his ppv matches against the heels to put them over, not to ever build up Bryan. If WWE truly was building up Bryan, he would have, first, been in the Rumble and second, won the Royal Rumble. The plan was for DB to face Sheamus, again, at WrestleMania. Bryan vs Sheamus at Mania is not building a new star or Bryan, it was just a spot to fill the card. Bryan going over Triple H and Orton/Batista at Mania was simply a change of plans because fan discontent demanded it. WWE did not want the lasting memory of WrestleMania 30 to be the same as the Royal Rumble was 3 months prior.

As for Bryan's title reign, there was nowhere higher for him to go because being the WWE Champion means you have reached the top. That's the point of being the Champ, but that doesn't mean you drop dead in quality by feeding Bryan to the Black Hole of charisma called Kane. Putting Bryan with Kane is the exact backstep you're talking about where a Bryan-Cesaro feud is a sidestep for Bryan and a step up for Cesaro. Yeah, it would have been a leap, a good leap that WWE should do more often to keep from getting stale with the same old stars like Kane, Big Show, etc. but because of drones like you poo pooing everything to build stars it doesn't happen. I mean, Kane, who lost his match against the Shield at Mania, getting a title shot isn't just a leap, it's a fucking horrible plot. If the Authority wanted the title off Bryan so badly, you don't book a loser like Kane in a match with him, you book a winner like Cesaro to. Cesaro winning a battle royal beating at least two dozen other men is no small task if you suspend disbelief, so he looked strong as hell and a challenge for the title would have been natural. The other huge plot twist is the night right after Mania, Heyman revealed that Cesaro was his new client. With a guy like Heyman representing Cesaro following a Battle Royal win, this would have been all the argument to the Authority for making Cesaro a #1 contender to Bryan's title.

This would have made complete sense because even if Cesaro went on to lose to Bryan several times, it would have led into the big match with Heyman's other client at SummerSlam: Brock Lesnar. Sure, Cesaro would have lost matches, but he would still look good because New Japan's latest ppv is a perfect example of how good wrestling puts both winner and loser over. To me, Cesaro-Bryan could have done that, but more importantly it would kept the things from getting stale like they are now.

This is no game, this is me straightening out your warped of perception of WWE's booking. I'm right, you're wrong, and everyone knows it because the truth has a certain ring to it and that's why I'm TruthTellers.

pokajabba

Jan 17 2015, 03:20:31 AM

I've just read online that Goldberg is interested in making a return to WWE.

I really don't see the point, but whatever.

TGM

Jan 17 2015, 12:58:29 PM

pokajabba

Jan 17 2015, 03:20:31 AM

I've just read online that Goldberg is interested in making a return to WWE.

I really don't see the point, but whatever.

Only if he returns just in time to have an epic Wrestlemania rematch with Brock Lesnar.