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| pokajabba | Sep 30 2015, 07:49:05 AM Post #6141 |
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| pokajabba | Sep 30 2015, 07:49:29 AM Post #6142 |
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| Redders | Sep 30 2015, 03:34:55 PM Post #6143 |
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Well spotted by someone: The "Ambrose Asylum" T-Shirt underneath has "P.A. 060214". 060214 - or, June 2nd 2014, was the day Seth Rollins turned on The SHIELD. |
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| Fromage | Sep 30 2015, 08:36:50 PM Post #6144 |
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I wouldnt be surprised if that was a complete coincidence. There's no way someone got that creative. |
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| T-Unit | Sep 30 2015, 08:55:42 PM Post #6145 |
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I was watching KotR 2000 last night and the main event was a 6 man tag match between The Rock, Undertaker, and Kane vs WWF Champion Triple H, Shane McMahon, and Vince McMahon. The stipulation was that whichever member of the Rock/Taker/Kane team won the match via pin or submission, they would become the new WWF Champion. So, there was a point in the match where Triple H nailed a Pedigree on Rock. This was near the ropes towards the entrance ramp side of the ring and what was supposed to happen was Undertaker was to break up the pin, but he must have forgotten and he was late to stop the count. What happened is Rock kicked out of the pedigree, but King and JR proclaimed that Taker broke up the pin attempt when he clearly did not. It leaves me wondering, why were finishers so important back then, but now are meaningless? Seriously, JR and King went out of their way to sell Taker's interference while today it takes two, sometimes three, finishers to beat a guy. |
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| Static | Sep 30 2015, 09:22:35 PM Post #6146 |
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What's the deal with some of the WWE wrestlers having gold avatars on Twitter? They doing that for Connor's Cure? |
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| pokajabba | Sep 30 2015, 09:38:03 PM Post #6147 |
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| pokajabba | Sep 30 2015, 09:42:13 PM Post #6148 |
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| TGM | Oct 1 2015, 01:29:27 AM Post #6149 |
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You're asking the wrong question, it's not why were finishers so important back then, it's why aren't they important at all now? |
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| T-Unit | Oct 1 2015, 02:23:26 AM Post #6150 |
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Because what's important now is to put over the "entertainment" and not individuals. I believe. |
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| Static | Oct 1 2015, 02:28:34 AM Post #6151 |
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I have a hard time remembering the name of finishers these days...it's probably because they aren't as important. 
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| Static | Oct 1 2015, 03:07:30 AM Post #6152 |
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I honestly don't care enough to remember most of them from the current roster. I do feel there is a time and place for finishers and certain marquee matches necessitates multiple finishers while I also believe some matches shouldn't need them at all. And sometimes I'd like to see matches end with signature moves and for some guys that should happen more often than not and when we do see their finishers, it's that more special. I think Neville should be one guy that uses his finisher sparingly so basically he would use another aerial move to finish his matches and Red Arrow would be used on more special occasions. Oh and don't forget stealing finishers. Don't see that as much and that should be used in more important matches Ultimately my view on match endings is this: I wish wrestlers could gives us more of a variety to end their matches. If I was running the WWE, I'd expect it from my main roster. I know Cena has his five moves of doom and many others have their usual sequences to end matches but... God Dammit !! The product would be a lot better if there was more variety in match endings. The sameness hurts the product and when you have two guys, e.g. Sheamus and Orton, who thrive on the stuff they know squaring off together... well that's when you get a bland matches and a bland feud. Show us something we haven't seen before. Give us endings we rarely see or haven't seen before. /Fin |
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| Flamecommando | Oct 1 2015, 11:57:32 AM Post #6153 |
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That is correct and it is really annoying. |
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| Static | Oct 1 2015, 05:12:27 PM Post #6154 |
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| T-Unit | Oct 1 2015, 05:14:17 PM Post #6155 |
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I agree with you on signature moves being used to finish matches. Used to see it every so often back in the Attitude Era, but now you NEVER see it. Sheamus is a guy that has a ton of really good signature moves, but every match he wins comes down to a stupid bicycle kick. Orton has that rope hung DDT and that's just a setup move for his RKO. It's ridiculous how the most brutal of moves are treated like afterthoughts and even the finishers don't finish matches. As a fan of the 90's All Japan and 00's Pro Wrestling Noah, I would see in their title matches guys use different levels of finishers. Take Misawa for example: he had a low level finish, mid level finish, and a ultra finisher. The first was a Tiger Driver the mid level was the Emerald Flowsion and the final finisher was the Tiger Driver '91  I'd like to see WWE embrace guys with multiple finishers and not just an impact finisher and a submission finisher. |
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| Static | Oct 1 2015, 06:25:33 PM Post #6156 |
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I was trying to find a read up on when finishers became a bigger deal in wrestling and when it became the norm for finishing matches. I honestly haven't found much on the history of the wrestling finisher. Found some debates on the number of finishers in matches and one was on Reigns kicking out of more F5s at Mania than Taker had the previous year - didn't sit well with some of the peeps arguing (discussion was on Reddit - Link). Finishers are very much important in the current WWE. That's not to say they weren't important before because I'm sure 80 to 90% of the audience during the Attitude Era paid to see a Stone Cold Stunner from Steve every night especially one he may deliver to Vinny Mac. And having a unique finisher is one way a performer can stand out e.g. Neville with his finisher. Right now you could say finishers are the be-all and end-all and having them end most matches and in the bigger matches we all know the first few finishers will always see a kick out, reversal, rope break, etc. So what I'm saying because we see them so often and pick up on the pattern, there is zero nuance to the performance. I'll end with this and to quote TGM's latest blog, "It just goes to show how alive the theater can be, and really emphasizes how no two performances are the same." If pro wrestling is seen as athletic theater, what is the WWE doing to keep "sports entertainment" alive and making sure no two performances are the same? |
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| T-Unit | Oct 1 2015, 06:50:33 PM Post #6157 |
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I can answer this: nothing. They've been following the same structure that they've had for almost 20 years now. Wrestling should be worked like it's a sport, which back in the 80's and 90's the matches were treated as such, it's just that they contained really wacky characters working them. Now we have more mainstream character as we live in the era of reality of the MMA fighter and there needs to be an emphasis on clean finishes and not interference, distraction rollups, etc to advance storylines. |
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| Static | Oct 1 2015, 07:50:00 PM Post #6158 |
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Then I guess the WWE will continue its slow slide. The product isn't compelling enough when they pretend to be MMA when you've got guys like Sheamus looking like a doofus with his mohawk running around the ring. It worked pretending pro wrestling was combat sport back then in the 80s and 90s when most fans were still marks but the illusion is gone. The emphasis has to now be on making compelling storylines but not forgetting the primary focus - to create exciting matches. And recently there isn't synergy between the two. We'll get a great storyline accompanied by a series of bad matches or a great match accompanied by bad storytelling so we're left with nothing memorable at the end of a feud or you question if there was even a feud there. And when you get this week in and week out, people are going to turn the channel to an actual sport or tune into a more interesting tv show. |
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| Fromage | Oct 1 2015, 09:04:40 PM Post #6159 |
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| Static | Oct 1 2015, 09:16:45 PM Post #6160 |
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