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Topic Started: Oct 21 2013, 11:22:39 PM (30,851 Views)
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DiBiase's right that Cena's time on top has run its course. You look back to Austin & Rock's time on top and they were only really on top for a few years; we're approaching a decade of Cena now.

The guy to replace him could be CM Punk or Daniel Bryan but WWE instead prefers to make sure Cena is still the guy even if someone else has the belt at the time. It makes sense in the short-term since Cena is the most recognizable, kid-friendly, and most likely sells by far the most merchandise, but I think they're doing damage to themselves long term.

Realistically Cena only has a few years left as a full-time wrestler and then WWE is going to be really unprepared when he's done. Punk probably doesn't even have that much time left either since he's hinted pretty often that he doesn't see himself wrestling much longer.

I'm starting to think that they have to have Daniel Bryan win the title at Mania even if I'm not super enthusiastic about yet another Bryan/Orton matchup. He should also be in the actual main event, not just wrestling for the title one hour into the show. He's seriously the most over face since Austin and Rock were at their peaks and they'd be dropping the ball if they don't run with him.
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Honestly it'll come down to age and marketability. I think that's why they're really high on a guy like Roman Reigns. They see him as marketable 'cause he's got "The look" and he's pretty young all things considered. Around the age Cena was when he became the guy. Maybe a year older.
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Here's how I feel about the members of the shield:

Roman Reigns - The most "sure thing" of the group. He'll eventually get some sort of push to the top of the card and will have title matches. Might even have a run or two with the WWE title. I think he has a ceiling though; best-case scenario for his career is something similar to Batista.

Dean Ambrose - The most potential of the group. He has the charisma to be that larger-than-life personality, but I could also see WWE just leaving him in the midcard for years on end.

Seth Rollins - Will be the most fucked when The Shield inevitably break up. Most likely a lifetime midcarder
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Dean Ambrose is certainly my personal favorite from The Shield. He just grabs your attention so easily and his in-ring work is usually fun to watch.

I like Reigns as well, his in-ring work isn't as interesting to me but his matches with Bryan and Punk were really great. His mic work is just kind of there. It's not bad but his demeanor in real life also seems to be the "Strong Silent Type".

I also like Rollins but... The guy seems like the ideal Paul Heyman guy. Whenever he talks people seem to get annoyed or complain lol. His in ring work is the "Flashiest" of the three.
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For every Hulk Hogan -- We had a Warrior.

For every Shawn Michaels -- There was a Bret Hart.

For every Steve Austin -- Out would come The Rock.

Even John Cena had Batista as his counterpart. It's a pretty sad state when you can't even create a new face of the company, let alone a back-up star who could also be considered the face if things turned sour. If anything, I'd say WWE were trying to build Roman Reigns as the next Batista, but that's really stretching the situation somewhat at this point in time. I'm not against Roman Reigns becoming a huge star or anything, but I've yet to truly see him leave that kind of impression on me (Hopefully, he proves me wrong).

I wouldn't be particularly surprised if Cena carried on working with the company for another couple of years as the face. It's not like he's had much incentive to leave, nor does it come across that WWE are trying to push him away, and unless one end of the spectrum begins to buckle, I don't personally see Cena going anywhere soon.

Daniel Bryan and CM Punk are both great picks for the next ''face'', but I'm inching towards Punk a little more out of the two. Punk has been over for years, while Bryan has only really begun his popularity within the WWE. It seems that every face of the company needs around three elements in order to function properly; those being the ability to use the mic, being able to attain chemistry with ones opponents, and being able to connect with and draw in audiences unlike anyone else. Hulk Hogan accomplished this (Despite his terrible wrestling abilities). Stone Cold Steve Austin and Shawn Michaels achieved this, too. Whether you love John Cena or you hate him, it's hard to deny his achievements as the face of the company, becoming yet another guy who succeeded in providing all of the elements listed above.

With all due respect, IMHO, I don't think Bryan is quite there. It's clear he connects with the audience to a certain level, but not in much the same way the likes of Stone Cold could. His gimmick has probably become more over than he himself has. Punk on the other hand, has the ability to truly engage people into what he is doing and saying, and has consistently provided us with memorable matches and moments. If WWE had to pick someone, my vote would be for Punk. That is only my opinion, though.

And for all I know Daniel Bryan could reach these heights sometime down the line. So my opinion could easily change this year depending on the work he produces. Whatever the case, it's going to become an interesting year if WWE play their cards right.
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To me, Reigns is the next Randy Orton. He talks just like him, he acts just like him, he's limited in wrestling ability, and his only real ceiling is however high WWE sets it. Unlike Bryan or Punk, who no matter what their current status is in WWE, they'll always be main event stars; Reigns I think, won't be able to win over fans simply because WWE's hot on him and there's no gaurantee that WWE won't just drop him like they did Ryback.

As for Bryan, he could be stuck in the "lesser" feuds for the rest of his career, but as long as he's in WWE, the fans will treat him like he's John Cena, but I don't know if WWE will ever have the confidence in him. The other thing Bryan doesn't have is the look to be the face of the WWE. Can you see Bryan going on shows like Celebrity Jeopardy or The Today Show? Can you see him being in a Disney channel show or WWE movies? He doesn't have the demeanor for those activities that WWE pushes asks it's top star to do.

Punk seems to be getting burnt out and I think he's a guy that knows when to call it quits instead of dragging things out. He should by all rights be the top star right now because Cena's been around so long in that capacity, but WWE insists on Cena first, Punk second. 2012 proved that time and time again.

Who's WWE's #1 star after Cena? Yer lookin' at him fella!

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I think necessity has proven to be the mother of invention when it comes to WWE's Matrix of Leadership. Until WWE doesn't have their crutch, they can never truly get behind somebody new, they will always fall back on the devil they know. The next Prime won't reveal himself or get a chance to reveal himself until John Cena is out of the picture. And without WCW to steal him and neck injuries proving to be ineffective in holding Cena back, I think we've still got a while to wait.

If Cena were forced to step aside tomorrow, I think CM Punk and DB could be WWE's Ultra Magnus. They could carry the Matrix for a while, but WWE would not embrace them as a Prime. Soon after, WWE would force themselves to create a Rodimus and I don't think it would be one of our guys, but they would eventually find their guy... and very quickly make us all very sick of him.

Transformers Analogy:
Optimus Prime: Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin
Rodimus Prime: John Cena, The Rock
Ultra Magnus: Undertaker, HBK, Bret, DB, CM Punk
Starscream: Triple H
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I enjoyed Dude's post even though I had no idea what he was talking about for half of it because I know $shit about Transformers
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JML
Jan 18 2014, 10:40:53 PM
He should also be in the actual main event, not just wrestling for the title one hour into the show. He's seriously the most over face since Austin and Rock were at their peaks and they'd be dropping the ball if they don't run with him.
This just made me think if they had this past Raw's ending, with the entire crowd chanting Yes, at the end of Wrestlemania with Bryan holding the WWE title, then they would have a WM moment that (to me anyway) rivals the Benoit/Eddie moment in terms of pride and hard work turned to success.

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Whoever WWE replaces Cena with, I doubt it's going to be a guy that the IWC supports. WWE is most likely to go with a guy who is limited in moves and overall wrestling talent. It'll be someone that looks like he's on the juice, won't be covered in tattoos, and he'll have a cheery personality. Oh, and he'll be white.
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- When WWE first had Daniel Bryan join The Wyatt Family on RAW a few weeks back, they had two matches lined up for him at WrestleMania XXX – one that would see him still a member of the group and one that would have had him back to being a babyface. There was no real solid plan on turning Bryan back babyface but it was not supposed to happen just two weeks later, like they ended up doing.

The idea was that Bryan would either turn back at Elimination Chamber, setting up Bryan vs. Bray at WrestleMania XXX, or he would turn at WrestleMania after coming out for a tag match with Wyatt. This would have guaranteed the big babyface reaction at WrestleMania.


Assuming it's true, those original plans for Bryan were awful.
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Agreed. Daniel Bryan vs. The Wyatt Family should've lasted no longer than Elimination Chamber. The way I see it, he would turn on them during the Royal Rumble - and win, beat Bray at EC and go on to capture the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestlemania.
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Sorry JML, not trying to derail from the topic you brought up or anything, but reportedly Daniel Bryan's concussion was severe enough to prevent him from competing in this years Royal Rumble match.
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Jan 19 2014, 06:16:33 PM
Agreed. Daniel Bryan vs. The Wyatt Family should've lasted no longer than Elimination Chamber. The way I see it, he would turn on them during the Royal Rumble - and win, beat Bray at EC and go on to capture the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestlemania.


The thing that worries me is that means as recently as a couple weeks ago they had no intention whatsoever to have Bryan in the title picture for WM. They must have a plan for someone else to be challenging for the title (and the Taker match).

So either they're going to completely scrap their original WM plans or Daniel Bryan is going to be somewhere in the middle of the show doing who knows what.

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Jan 19 2014, 06:18:43 PM
Sorry JML, not trying to derail from the topic you brought up or anything, but reportedly Daniel Bryan's concussion was severe enough to prevent him from competing in this years Royal Rumble match.


The concussion story is odd to me. Usually WWE likes to come forward with concussion news on their website ASAP. For the Bryan concussion the website hasn't said a thing as far as I know.

Maybe they're saving the news to announce on Raw that Bryan won't be competing but then he comes in as a surprise 28/29/30 entrant and just works very carefully? If he wins the Rumble he may not even need to take a bump. Or he could take a light bump early on, lay in the corner for most of the rest of the Rumble, and then win it at the end after doing minimal work.
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Jan 19 2014, 06:27:54 PM
The thing that worries me is that means as recently as a couple weeks ago they had no intention whatsoever to have Bryan in the title picture for WM. They must have a plan for someone else to be challenging for the title (and the Taker match).

So either they're going to completely scrap their original WM plans or Daniel Bryan is going to be somewhere in the middle of the show doing who knows what.

The concussion story is odd to me. Usually WWE likes to come forward with concussion news on their website ASAP. For the Bryan concussion the website hasn't said a thing as far as I know.

Maybe they're saving the news to announce on Raw that Bryan won't be competing but then he comes in as a surprise 28/29/30 entrant and just works very carefully? If he wins the Rumble he may not even need to take a bump. Or he could take a light bump early on, lay in the corner for most of the rest of the Rumble, and then win it at the end after doing minimal work.
Hopefully, Daniel Bryan's feud with The Wyatt Family ends by the time the Elimination Chamber PPV roles along. I'd hate for Bryan's first match at Wrestlemania (Since becoming incredibly popular) be against someone like Bray Wyatt. I don't think both men will gain anything out of a potential encounter on the grandest stage of them all (Bryan coming out victorious would not benefit Bray and vice versa). If I had it my way, John Cena would win the WWE WHC during he RR PPV and then go onto face Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania once Bryan wins the Elimination Chamber/RR for the number one contenders spot. I think this would create decent drama due to how Bryan beat Cena at Summerslam, in which Cena now respects Bryan enough to consider him his equal, creating a scenario where Cena desperately wants to defeat Bryan and prove he is still the top guy, but ultimately gets defeated and passes the torch to Bryan (So to speak).

If the reports about Daniel Bryan's concussion are indeed false (WWE planning to make him a surprise entrant), then it seems they are going about really well (Considering how they've already pulled him from a couple House Shows). I doubt WWE would go to such extents to make us believe this, but they have gone to extreme lengths in the past, so hopefully you're actually right on the money about this. To be perfectly honest, Daniel Bryan might possibly end up leaving a bigger mark compared to the other surprise entrants. :)

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What are the chances that Bryan's concussion was real and he legitimately forgot he was a heel and started beating down Bray?
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And happened to wear his old red trunks underneath the wyatt uniform?
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Jan 19 2014, 07:34:44 PM
And happened to wear his old red trunks underneath the wyatt uniform?
Maybe he wears them for good luck? Like Jordan use to wear his UNC shorts before every game?
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Those original plans really are disappointing given how things have gone for Bryan since SummerSlam. I can't see this concussion doing him any favours either. Outside of a match with Undertaker, whatever he gets at Wrestlemania this year is going to be severely underwhelming.
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