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Topic Started: Oct 21 2013, 11:22:39 PM (30,542 Views)
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Feb 10 2016, 10:27:41 PM
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Feb 10 2016, 10:20:58 PM
1. To make people forget about Daniel Bryan
I dont agree with that. They wouldnt go to all that trouble on Raw with the career recaps, tweets from folks, news stations picking up the story, giving him the end of the show to speak his mind, and then on Smackdown to again show the tweets and recap his retirement speech.
Then you are in denial of just what kind of company WWE is.
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1. To make people forget about Daniel Bryan
I dont agree with that. They wouldnt go to all that trouble on Raw with the career recaps, tweets from folks, news stations picking up the story, giving him the end of the show to speak his mind, and then on Smackdown to again show the tweets and recap his retirement speech.
Then you are in denial of just what kind of company WWE is.
I'm only in denial of your assumption that this Titus thing is meant to overshadow Daniel Bryan. Why would they go to all that trouble just to make people forget days later? Go to the WWE website, in fact click here Bryan is all over the website. He's been mentioned numerous times on Smackdown. They arent doing anything to make people forget Bryan or trying to bury him. Now, I will say that they knew the whole retirement thing would bring in ratings and good publicity, so that's where the "evil business" side of it lies, but everything else about it was for Daniel Bryan.

The internet blew up the Titus suspension, not WWE. The internet wants you to focus on Titus, WWE wants you to focus on Bryan.

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Feb 10 2016, 10:45:29 PM
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1. To make people forget about Daniel Bryan
I dont agree with that. They wouldnt go to all that trouble on Raw with the career recaps, tweets from folks, news stations picking up the story, giving him the end of the show to speak his mind, and then on Smackdown to again show the tweets and recap his retirement speech.
Then you are in denial of just what kind of company WWE is.
I'm only in denial of your assumption that this Titus thing is meant to overshadow Daniel Bryan. Why would they go to all that trouble just to make people forget days later? Go to the WWE website, in fact click here Bryan is all over the website. He's been mentioned numerous times on Smackdown. They arent doing anything to make people forget Bryan or trying to bury him. Now, I will say that they knew the whole retirement thing would bring in ratings and good publicity, so that's where the "evil business" side of it lies, but everything else about it was for Daniel Bryan.

The internet blew up the Titus suspension, not WWE. The internet wants you to focus on Titus, WWE wants you to focus on Bryan.
:hmm: yeah, I guess. WWE would rather focus on Bryan because of his ratings draw and probably to sell the rest of his merch they have in warehouses.

But WWE's going to get even more publicity from this Titus thing and they'll like that too. It's like there's no way to fuck WWE or stick something to them. When they get positive PR stuff, they like it, when they do something stupid or inappropriate and people call them out on there unfairness, WWE knows people are talking about them, so they like that too.

WWE is basically the pink slime from Ghostbusters 2. With positive reinforcement, they can be happy go lucky, but with negative press they ooze out of the bathtub and try to eat babies.
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Feb 10 2016, 09:50:37 PM
I watched all of that after Raw on Monday. It didn't seem like much. Didn't know who was grabbing Vince. Thought it was Mark Henry tbh.

Is there a reason why Titus did it? I honestly believe Titus just wanted to get his attention out there, to briefly talk, because Vince is not accessible backstage to 95% of the roster.
A part of me thinks that Titus and Vince probably grab/hug each other backstage all the time. Judging by his mannerism in the video, I almost got the sense that Titus didn't even realise he had done anything out of the ordinary, and I wouldn't exactly be surprised if the Chairman of the Board was genuinely upset that he lost one of his superstars. Which means it's entirely possible Vince was just caught up in the moment and simply wasn't in the mood for horseplay.

Obviously there are a number of possibilities that could have lead to his suspension. But considering Vince reportedly cried the day Punk left the company, I'm not ruling out the chance that he was genuinely annoyed that someone would mess around during a heartfelt segment such as this. And I definitely don't want to give off the impression that I'm sticking up for Vince's actions, because that couldn't be further from truth, especially when you consider the horror stories surrounding him. I actually feel he's being very unreasonable over the type of friendly behaviour one might usually expect backstage.
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Titus O'Neil took to his Instagram account to issue his first statement following the news of his suspension:

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In response to Fromage,

I agree and believe it wasn't intentional ploy by WWE to overshadow D Bryan. It was an overreaction by Vince to even suspend him at all tbh. And the focus has been shifted away from DB's retirement... because of Vince's overreaction.


In response to TT,

"There's no such thing as publicity." And Vince's empire was built on it. lol


In response to Poka,

I wish I could see a picture of how his demeanor appeared after Titus did that. We only got to see the back of his head in that clip. And in Titus' defense, grief comes in many forms and this may have been his way of showing support to Vince.
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Feb 10 2016, 11:31:46 PM
I wish I could see a picture of how his demeanor appeared after Titus did that. We only got to see the back of his head in that clip. And in Titus' defense, grief comes in many forms and this may have been his way of showing support to Vince.
Well that's exactly what I was trying to indicate. People were visibly upset, and this could have merely been Titus' way of cheering them up. Unfortunately, it may have clashed with Vince McMahon's perspective on the matter, even though I get the feeling this sort of thing probably happens backstage quite a lot (judging from past videos I've seen showing how wrestlers greet one another).

So yeah... Vince could have easily taken a breather and realised the mistake that was made. Instead, he chose to act upon it, suspending Titus for the silliest reasons imaginable. :roll:
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To play devil's advocate here there is actually a lot around this situation we don't know. Maybe what happened on stage was a build up of something else behind the scenes that we're not aware of. Plus HHH and Steph were right there when it happened, perhaps they tried to talk Vince out of it and he ultimately overruled them, or maybe they agreed with the decision and thought the suspension was justified. I mentioned earlier that there have been feelings of a lot of unprofessionalism going on so this could be the result of all that. Basically with what we have seen the 90 day suspension seems outrageous, but on the other hand there are things we just dont know.

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Feb 11 2016, 01:02:01 AM
Basically with what we have seen the 90 day suspension seems outrageous, but on the other hand there are things we just dont know.
vinnie mac n big titus r secret lovers. vince and big T play a game called Pound where vince is the dawg catcher and titus is duh dawg. It's like marco polo, cept they play da game in a dark hotel room n instead of sayin marco polo, vince blows a whistle n titus barks. If Vince fails 2 catch Titus b4 times up, titus catches vince and they... Pound.

Ole Vin didnt want there relationship 2 show onscreen n now he gots to show sum tough luv.
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WWE has responded to allegations that their suspension of Titus O’Neil, which has been reduced to 60 days, was racially motivated. WWE issued the following statement to The New York Post this week:

“The suspension of Titus O’Neil had nothing to do with race and everything to do with unprofessional conduct.”

WWE also sent The Post a copy of a text message they claim O’Neil sent someone high up in the company. The text from O’Neil read:

“I feel like sh** now so if you have to let me go, I understand. Stupid mistake.”

Source: http://www.sescoops.com/titus-oneil-news-wwe-issues-statement-suspension-reduced-text-message-made-public/
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WWE sure does like using tabloid media outlets . :argh:
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Reports suggest that the reason why Titus O'Neil grabbed Vince McMahons arm was so that he'd allow Stephanie McMahon to leave the stage first (in a sort of 'ladies first' type of way), and had only meant for him to take it in a jokingly playful manner.
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Bret Hart awoke from surgery and released the following on Instagram:

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If I ever woke up from prostate surgery and had the means to tweet, I'd say:

Just woke up from prostate surgery. My ass hurts.
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Feb 12 2016, 08:47:28 PM
If I ever woke up from prostate surgery and had the means to tweet, I'd say:

Just woke up from prostate surgery. My ass hurts.
You should tweet this to Bret. :smug:
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I'm surprised you guys debated that much about the Titus O'Neil thing

It's just Titus O'Neil. If he was off TV for two or three months without the news breaking you probably wouldn't have even noticed he was gone
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Feb 13 2016, 12:13:02 AM
I'm surprised you guys debated that much about the Titus O'Neil thing

It's just Titus O'Neil. If he was off TV for two or three months without the news breaking you probably wouldn't have even noticed he was gone
It's more about the principle of the situation, of WWE further treating their roster like shit and being unfair, actions that effect the product as a whole, even if in this particular situation we're discussing someone who isn't himself so heavily featured. Just more examples of WWE being shitty for shitty's sake, and fuck that shit.
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I'm surprised you guys debated that much about the Titus O'Neil thing

It's just Titus O'Neil. If he was off TV for two or three months without the news breaking you probably wouldn't have even noticed he was gone
It's more about the principle of the situation, of WWE further treating their roster like shit and being unfair, actions that effect the product as a whole, even if in this particular situation we're discussing someone who isn't himself so heavily featured. Just more examples of WWE being shitty for shitty's sake, and fuck that shit.
Especially with how bland and bad the product has been for nearly 3 years now. I wish that people had been this vocal about that one situation where if you remember those fans who were dressed up as Hogan, Savage, IRS, Big Bossman, etc. and they were forced to remove the costumes or be removed from the show.

It's just bullshit by a company that seemingly has a short fuse now with anything. It's not like Titus broke character or anything because everyone on the stage wasn't in character. Besides, is Titus getting paid while suspended? If not, that's another reason to be upset about this.
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Even though I do still personally think it was bullsh*t that Titus was suspended, I have to admit that there isn't really much to go on at this point. Reports online seem to suggest a variety of different scenarios that played out, and at this point I don't know which one to believe. Judging by how WWE have treated people in the past, my gut instincts tell me it's yet another instance of them being completely in the wrong. At the same time, however, since there is so much awful sh*t going on in the company, I sort of feel bad about how there might be so many different, and possibly even worse cases that are going by unnoticed. You wouldn't believe the sheer amount of negative stuff you can find online from various testimonials regarding Vince McMahon, a lot of which are rumours about the way he talks to certain people once the cameras aren't rolling. If I had it my way I'd send in a private inspector to tour with the company for a few months, sticking as close to Vince McMahon as humanly possible and making sure to listen in on any key decisions that are being made, then report back to the government to show them the results of their investigation. And I'm only saying this because I feel people's rights are at stake here, and it's about time WWE were prevented from treating people in such blatant disrespectful manners (again, I'm not necessarily just talking about the Titus situation, but it surely deserves being looked into).

But yeah, my previous comment may have come off as a little disrespectful to these types of situations and the people who are involved in them, and I can assure you I was mostly trying to be sarcastic with what I said. However, I do get the feeling people would be less concerned with stuff like this if we were all enjoying ourselves (which doesn't necessarily make it right), even though I feel it definitely should be pointed out no matter the circumstance. But, at the same time, considering WWE have gotten away with this type of thing on a number of occasions, with little to no improvement being made despite the negative feedback they've consistently received online, I'm almost inclined to say that perhaps it's about time the government were directly involved in their affairs. Obviously I'm fully aware how unrealistic this proposal is, but, at the same time, I'm not entirely sure what else could be done at this point. I doubt WWE are willing to make changes for the better out of their own free will (or at least while Vince McMahon is leading the charge), so maybe it's about time these concerns were directed towards more powerful figures. Surely there must be somebody out there who could objectively look into such matters and determine if the company were acting unfavourably towards their employees? Then again, I'm not sure what laws and regulations you have over there, and, as a result, these suggestions may look incredibly silly from someone else's perspective.
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About the only thing the US government would look into WWE for would be the steroid and drug abuse in the company, which they did 20+ years ago to no avail thanks to star witness Hulk Hogan saying under oath (whatever oath Hogan took that made him swear to tell the truth beats me) that Vince McMahon didn't tell him to use roids.

So, the US has already spent money trying to nail McMahon and I don't think they're interested in the slightest to return to investigating or prosecuting him again. There may be one thing that could come back to haunt Vince and it's related to Jimmy Snuka.

Firstly, having an employee connected to a murder is bad enough, but to have him be the main suspect is really bad. But that's not the biggest problem for Vince, it'd be whatever was in that briefcase he brought into the meeting with police investigators and Snuka. If Vince bribed the police, he could go to jail for that. Even attempted bribery is a crime. Unfortunately, even if the cops were on the take, none of them would ever say anything about it because they're the ones who took the bribe and they'll go down too. I figured I'd mention because on the off chance somebody decided to come clean and say Vince either tried to bribe them or actually did, then there's evidence of a crime and that could be Vince's downfall.

As for labor and management issues, there's no law that says they have to work for WWE or WWE has to keep them. That's just the way it works here in the US. About the only thing the wrestlers could do is start a union because there's power in the pack, not the lone wolf.
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