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Topic Started: Oct 21 2013, 11:22:39 PM (30,844 Views)
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Yeah but if Punk comes back in say 2016 or 2017 I wouldn't be that enthusiastic about Punk/Cena headlining WM that year. Punk will be rusty and both guys will be older (they aren't exactly "young" as it is).
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Ironic timing, I suppose, but I finally got a chance to rewatch Cena-Punk from Raw last year. I've never considered myself the arbiter of star ratings, but can anybody give me a compelling reason that this shouldn't be a 5 star match?

Watching it again, my esteem for the match has only risen. I really think that match is and I mean this without hyperbole the best match in Raw history, as I think I can put it above the Owen-Bulldog European Title finals.
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Jan 29 2014, 01:08:46 PM
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Jan 29 2014, 01:04:51 PM
It's not like Punk will be gone forever.
I'm not so sure about that

He seems like a guy who would be content retiring right now
He could pull an HBK and come back after 4 years and end up coming back only to stay for another 8 years. Wishful thinking, but it'd be awesome. :D

I think he may be thinking about going back to ROH after his contract is up this Summer.

I have fought some guys that weren't actually there and I beat them so bad they disappeared.
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Jan 29 2014, 02:19:28 PM
Ironic timing, I suppose, but I finally got a chance to rewatch Cena-Punk from Raw last year. I've never considered myself the arbiter of star ratings, but can anybody give me a compelling reason that this shouldn't be a 5 star match?

Watching it again, my esteem for the match has only risen. I really think that match is and I mean this without hyperbole the best match in Raw history, as I think I can put it above the Owen-Bulldog European Title finals.
I am not guy who does rankings or star ratings, but it's certainly up there. In some ways, I like that match more than their MITB match.

Edge-Flair TLC was really good, but it's definitely a step below.

I would have to re-watch it, but I remember Shawn-Hunter (Dec. 2003) being pretty great.

At the risk of opening a can of worms, Power Trip vs. Jericho/Benoit comes to mind.

Speaking of which, for whatever it is worth, WWE.com did a list:

http://www.wwe.com/classics/classic-lists/50-greatest-raw-matches-list/

Note: it was published before the Cena-Punk Raw match.
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Punk story is starting to get more and more believable... I respect your feelings and thoughts, Dude, but I'm happy he's leaving... He's standing up for what he believes in and can't worry about making everyone happy
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Jan 29 2014, 02:19:28 PM
Ironic timing, I suppose, but I finally got a chance to rewatch Cena-Punk from Raw last year. I've never considered myself the arbiter of star ratings, but can anybody give me a compelling reason that this shouldn't be a 5 star match?

Watching it again, my esteem for the match has only risen. I really think that match is and I mean this without hyperbole the best match in Raw history, as I think I can put it above the Owen-Bulldog European Title finals.
Probably because their MITB encounter both told a great in-ring story and was also a fantastic 'wraslin' match at the same time. While their RAW match may equal, perhaps even surpass the choreography, pacing, and overall wrestling presented within the MITB bout; I still wasn't able to connect to it in the same manner as their other match. So while I agree it's easily one of the best RAW matches of all time, I simply wasn't absorbed into the spectacle and atmosphere quite as much. Not that I'm saying I found it hard to be sucked in by it, because that's not the case at all. I just feel the other one had a certain ''it'' factor that cannot be easily matched.

My personal Top 5 RAW matches would probably look a little something like this:

5) Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho vs Stone Cold and Triple H - RAW 2000
4) Bret Hart vs The 1-2-3 Kid - RAW 1994
3) CM Punk vs John Cena - RAW 2013
2) John Cena vs Shawn Michaels - RAW 2007
1) Owen hart vs The British Bulldog - RAW 1997

And no, I do not like Michaels-Cena just because of its lengthy running time. :P

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BREAKING: Hunico will now be playing the role of CM Punk.
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Jan 29 2014, 09:56:02 AM
After the resounding negative reaction that WWE received at Sunday’s Royal Rumble pay-per-view, there have been significant changes to WWE’s upcoming storyline plans.

As of this week, there is talk of Daniel Bryan winning the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at the Elimination Chamber pay-per-view.

Bryan winning the title at Elimination Chamber would accomplish several things. First, it would likely pop a big rating the RAW rating the following night, with the WWE Network launching as soon as RAW goes off the air. WWE is already planning on bringing in several major names (including Hulk Hogan) the RAW the night after Elimination Chamber. Secondly, it would change the previously planned Batista vs. Randy Orton WrestleMania main event, which WWE now feels is at risk of getting a very negative reaction from the rowdy WrestleMania crowd.

If Daniel Bryan does win the WWE World Heavyweight title at Elimination Chamber, the scenario that’s being discussed is for Randy Orton to invoke his rematch clause at WrestleMania, making the main event a triple threat match between Bryan, Batista and Orton.


Source: http://www.sescoops.com/report-wwe-changing-plans-elimination-chamber-wrestlemania-xxx/

If this is indeed true, then at least somebody in the back has pulled their head out of Batista's a$$ and taken notice of the current situation. Though, in my opinion, Daniel Bryan should be main eventing Wrestlemania in a rematch against John Cena (As a way to finally pass the torch over to him without dispute or controversy). But that's just how I personally feel.
Damaged control. That's all it is.

While I see the purpose for having Daniel Bryan win the championship at Elimination Chamber, I do not like the idea of him carrying the belt into Wrestlemania. Yes, he's still an underdog; yes, he's still going up against the machine, but no, I don't feel it would be that Wrestlemania moment we're all hoping for.
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BREAKING: Hunico will now be playing the role of CM Punk.
^ To be announced on the next Raw by special guest host Jim Ross right after he announces the returns of Razor Ramon, Diesel, and Double J.
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In other news!

ESPN Cleveland reporter Casey Kulas reported today that he heard from sources backstage at Monday’s WWE RAW show in Cleveland, Ohio that there was a heated argument backstage between WWE executives and CM Punk. Kulas says that WWE wanted Punk to do a promo on RAW telling fans that he was taking time off because he suffered a concussion (he didn’t), but he refused.

Casey Kulas @CaseyKulas
''My info on CM Punk: I do know from sources that at #Raw in CLE there was heated exchange backstage between Punk & staff. Topic - concussion.''

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''Punk was heard arguing with staff saying "I passed all your damn concussion test" and "I'm not going out and telling fans that BS"

Source: http://www.sescoops.com/report-cm-punk-wwe-officials-heated-exchange-backstage-raw/
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Woah, this is getting juicy boys! I feel like I'm watching a show on VH1
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This is what happens when TruthTellers sends me a PM about the CM Punk situation at 4:30am. I should note, I just wrote - no editing, no consideration for all the dimensions one could bring into the topic, it's just a streamlined response (feels like I'm writing a disclaimer), so yeah...

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Ever since Punk came back after his match with the Undertaker, something felt off. You can tell he wasn't only getting burnt out, but the situations he was being put in weren't quite as impactful as they should've been. Even on auto-pilot, he was putting on better matches than pretty much everyone else on the card except for Bryan and the tag-teams. When needed, he'd spruce up for Lesnar and any other match with a glimpse of significance. But, I think despite having such success in the ring during 2013, his character was suffering from all the mishandling of things around him. He should be much further perceptually than he is now (if that makes sense). I'm still a fan of course, but there are things that were visible, telling a story that this was going to happen one day. Batista's introduction and subsequent shafting of both Punk and Bryan was just the thing to push him over. I don't want to condone his lack of professionalism by leaving just like that, but at the same time, you can't help but feel like this is a direct middle finger to the bigwigs for all the missteps that we've seen in recent months. Unfortunately, the fans are the ones who suffer in this (both in his departure and the reasons for it); the same people who are already on the brink of total disinterest. I've personally contemplated whether I want to continue watching or not, because when I started to watch wrestling again in 2008, it almost felt like I missed enough of the clutter to the point where I could start anew. So I did, and while it certainly wasn't perfect, I'd like to think I've had the benefit of seeing some pretty great work every so often. Chris Jericho, Edge, Christian, Mark Henry, Brock Lesnar, Undertaker, Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, Wade Barrett, Antonio Cesaro, The Shield, The Wyatt Family, Cody and Goldust, heck even John Cena have all done something at one point or another to keep me interested in the product I loved so much as a child. It's like I can watch a guy like Wade Barrett and see all the ways WWE screwed him over, but in my head, I see all success that went by as though they happened. I see the guy that's alreadybeen WWE World Heavyweight Champion, I see the guy that is worth tuning in to see every Monday night to deliver BAD NEWS or kick someone's teeth in (whatever comes first). I've always said that there are probably just as many guys today on the roster than I genuinely like as there were when I was eight. It sounds crazy, but what can you do? You give the benefit of the doubt. Problem is, the marginal benefit is starting to look thin. If this were any other television program, I would've already stopped watching. Surely, I would stop watching and come back to it, but whether that lasts a few months or a few years is just a matter of saying "Hey, remember what it was like? Don't be stupid." Or maybe I catch word that Sami Zayn and Antonio Cesaro are in the main event, and Paige is there now, and maybe Dean Ambrose has become the new Jake Roberts. It's a future I wish to see as it happens, but the way things are going, I don't know if I can stay in for the long haul. Actually, no that's too melancholic. I can stay for the long haul, but in those same number of months, or years, what are we going to be subjected to? What will we get in place of CM Punk? Will they be better or worse - most assuredly worse. Things like Punk leaving are an inevitability, but much like KARA's situation, if that group ever ceased to exist, DSP would bescrewed. Why? Because, Rainbow hasn't been promoted well enough to lead the charge. Nicole & Jiyoung = CM Punk in this comparison, and the new members that might be added can be anything from the next Hyolyn; Stone Cold Steve Austin to Clara; Hornswaggle, the only thing you can be sure of is that it'll be different and there will be a backlash regardless if the former is true or not.


^ Wall of text, I know.
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According to Daily Sports in Japan, WWE has offered a contract to KENTA. Reportedly, NOAH will be doing a “farewell show” for KENTA, but this is still likely a little premature.

Though, KENTA was confirmed to be at the WWE Performance Center in Orlando, Florida -- for an official WWE tryout.

Also,

''Despite the fact that CM Punk is still included in the advertisements for WWE’s “Elimination Chamber” pay-per-view, and may continue to appear on some official WWE advertisements for upcoming live events in the future, the word within the company is that those will eventually be pulled.

In the past week, two different key people within WWE with knowledge of Punk’s situation, have noted that he was “as good as gone” from the company once his WWE deal expired in July. One person even claimed that Punk wouldn’t even last until the duration of his contract.

As far as the meeting between Punk and Vince McMahon backstage at RAW on Monday before he ultimately left and went home, one source noted that the meeting didn’t even take place until approximately 7:30pm.

The reason the Kofi Kingston vs. Alberto Del Rio match went so long this past Monday night on RAW was because it took place during the period that Punk was originally scheduled to have a segment, and because he left, the two had to have their match go a second segment to cover the time.

Apparently there has been a working assumption within WWE creative for multiple weeks now that Punk was going to be leaving when his contract expired in July, and that he would not be signing a new deal at that time.

As things stand right now, Sheamus is scheduled to replace Punk on the bookings he had advertised for the SmackDown television tapings.
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Source: http://www.sescoops.com/detailed-backstage-update-cm-punks-wwe-departure/
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BREAKING: Hunico will now be playing the role of CM Punk.
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^A match for the ages! Get it!?

Hurp durp. :red:
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Oh my, what happened to AJ?! :P
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