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Topic Started: Oct 21 2013, 11:22:39 PM (30,441 Views)
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Apparently there's going to be a Vince McMahon biopic (because we all want that!) and the role of Vince has been offered to Vince McMahon himself Bradley Cooper. Now the WWE film studio is attached to the project so that means any negative stuff is probably being cut out so Vince can be portrayed as nothing short of a god.

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Apparently there's going to be a Vince McMahon biopic (because we all want that!) and the role of Vince has been offered to Vince McMahon himself Bradley Cooper. Now the WWE film studio is attached to the project so that means any negative stuff is probably being cut out so Vince can be portrayed as nothing short of a god.
Wasn't this already announced about a year ago?
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Sep 30 2017, 08:36:15 PM
Apparently there's going to be a Vince McMahon biopic (because we all want that!) and the role of Vince has been offered to Vince McMahon himself Bradley Cooper. Now the WWE film studio is attached to the project so that means any negative stuff is probably being cut out so Vince can be portrayed as nothing short of a god.
I'm sure Vince will love watching that in his down time.
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Sep 30 2017, 11:54:27 PM
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Sep 30 2017, 08:36:15 PM
Apparently there's going to be a Vince McMahon biopic (because we all want that!) and the role of Vince has been offered to Vince McMahon himself Bradley Cooper. Now the WWE film studio is attached to the project so that means any negative stuff is probably being cut out so Vince can be portrayed as nothing short of a god.
Wasn't this already announced about a year ago?
I believe the film was only announced earlier this year, not about a year ago. And they hadn't offered the lead role to anyone back then it was just recently.

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Sep 30 2017, 08:36:15 PM
Apparently there's going to be a Vince McMahon biopic (because we all want that!) and the role of Vince has been offered to Vince McMahon himself Bradley Cooper. Now the WWE film studio is attached to the project so that means any negative stuff is probably being cut out so Vince can be portrayed as nothing short of a god.
Wasn't this already announced about a year ago?
I believe the film was only announced earlier this year, not about a year ago. And they hadn't offered the lead role to anyone back then it was just recently.
Earlier this year would be about a year ago, seeing as how we're 10 months into the current year. Maybe I should have said ''some months back'' to avoid confusion, but then again, it wasn't like I was trying to be specific here. :roll:
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With show attendances as embarrassingly low as they've gotten (so far) and ratings down, what more will it take for WWE to finally wake up and deliver a product that the fans want to see? Because their argument has always been, if you don't like what we're producing, then don't watch. And, guess what? After years of being fed shit, fans are finally doing just that.

I'm not sure there's ever been a time where they've had a more all around talented roster, and yet they've squandered just about all of it due to Vince's sheer stubbornness to spite the fans at every single turn and shove shit down our throats that nobody but him actually wants to see. And, whelp, here we are, and people are finally tuning out in droves. Good going, WWE. :roll:

Can you believe we live in a day and age where two of my least anticipated wrestling events of the whole year are the Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania?
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With show attendances as embarrassingly low as they've gotten (so far) and ratings down, what more will it take for WWE to finally wake up and deliver a product that the fans want to see? Because their argument has always been, if you don't like what we're producing, then don't watch. And, guess what? After years of being fed shit, fans are finally doing just that.

I'm not sure there's ever been a time where they've had a more all around talented roster, and yet they've squandered just about all of it due to Vince's sheer stubbornness to spite the fans at every single turn and shove shit down our throats that nobody but him actually wants to see. And, whelp, here we are, and people are finally tuning out in droves. Good going, WWE. :roll:

Can you believe we live in a day and age where two of my least anticipated wrestling events of the whole year are the Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania?
i haven't been excited for anything wrestling related in quite awhile. Like I've mentioned in the recent past, there's just more compelling things to watch on tv, netflix, whatever besides wrestling.
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With show attendances as embarrassingly low as they've gotten (so far) and ratings down, what more will it take for WWE to finally wake up and deliver a product that the fans want to see? Because their argument has always been, if you don't like what we're producing, then don't watch. And, guess what? After years of being fed shit, fans are finally doing just that.

I'm not sure there's ever been a time where they've had a more all around talented roster, and yet they've squandered just about all of it due to Vince's sheer stubbornness to spite the fans at every single turn and shove shit down our throats that nobody but him actually wants to see. And, whelp, here we are, and people are finally tuning out in droves. Good going, WWE. :roll:

Can you believe we live in a day and age where two of my least anticipated wrestling events of the whole year are the Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania?
Yeah, I can believe that because I feel the same way. After Orton won the Rumble this year it was like, "Okay." Part of that apathy may have been do to leaks, but even then, Orton winning the Rumble was just lame.

And Roman winning the Rumble next year will be even more lame. And we already know what Mania has become: A 7 hour long Vince McMahon jerk-o-thon.

WWE really had me and a lot of other people going with Lesnar and Strowman at No Mercy. Even if the match was a clunker, but Braun had walked out the champ... that would have been a saving throw, but Vince has his plan and it involves the Large Canine.

But to think they spent over a year building up Braun and having him get the better of Roman so many times, walking away from that ambulance, all the opportunities to make Braun babyface and turn Roman heel in the most natural way... but they didn't. Vince is still trying to prove nature wrong, that his booking skills and abilities to spot talent can put anyone over as the next giant wrestling star, the next big name that will someday storm Hollywood or run for president.

Vince may have had those skills at one point, but he doesn't anymore. He's a promoter who knew how to thrive in the 80's, 90's, and early 00's, but he doesn't know how to survive in the iPhone/mobile internet era began in the late 00's.

Maybe some of that is due to the changing standards of television and society.

But, there's one simple fact in business: the customer is always right. The audience who watches WWE knows that there's probably never been a more talented roster and the issue with WWE is when a piece of metal gets red hot, but is 4th in line for the hammer blow on the anvil, by the time that formerly red hot piece gets to the anvil, it's lukewarm and the strike doesn't create as much of an impact had it been done sooner.

And that late strike has happened to almost every upper mid card guy for years. Cesaro, Rusev, Ziggler, Cody Rhodes, Sandow, Ryback, Braun, Sandow... they're all guys that were super over at some point and WWE fucked it up.

Because WWE fucked them up and continue to fuck people up, we know that the likes of Sami Zayn, Nakamura, Roode, Rodrick Strong, Asuka, etc. are going to be as well.

So why would I keep watching Raw, where the Shield is about to reunite after all these years for... Miz, Axel, and Dallas then to see Asuka have to deal with Japanese stereotypes from Alexa like Mickie James is dealing with old age jokes after she had fat jokes done to her? Then on Smackdown we're stuck with the current Jinder-Nakamura debacle, which hasn't just brought both guys down to below main event status, but has caused nearly half the live audience to run away coupled with the same matches every week.

I don't want to watch either show. I only happened to watch them this week because mass tragedies make me want to escape reality.

I'll be watching the ppv Sunday because Shane and Owens looks to be a spectacle and New Day vs Uso's always delivers, but were it not for Shane and Owens, I would probably skip this ppv. I think the only reason Shane and Owens are doing the match is because without it, there's nothing WWE could sell the show on and because there's nothing else they can think of having Owens do besides beat the shit out of Sami Zayn.
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For some reason Bobby Heenan always ripped on Stu Hart and the Hart Family and it was always hilarious. Everyone's hero Maffew (of botchamania fame) was kind enough to compile all of Bobby's comments from the 1993 Survivor Series match between the Hart brothers and Shawn Micheals and his knights.






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There's a rumor going around that seems to be picking up is that Neville has asked for his release. :hmm:

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Huh. Wasn't he being used relatively well, though? :?
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Indeed he is, but it's probably for the same reason that Austin Aries left. Being a star in the cruiserweight division is being a big fish in a tiny, tiny pond and it would be tough to ever shed the cruiserweight label and become something more within the company.

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Is it safe to say at this point that the re-introduction of the cruiserweight division is a bust then do you think?
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Is it safe to say at this point that the re-introduction of the cruiserweight division is a bust then do you think?
I don't watch 205 Live so some of the issues I see may not be present on that show, but so far I would say it's a bust. They've pretty much fumbled the division as soon as the cruiserweight classic ended. While they have made improvements to it over time it's still far from anything spectacular. Everything they've tried with it has merely been a band aid because abandoning 205 Live or the entire division is an admission of failure and WWE cannot have failure. This new stuff with Enzo is just the latest attempt of trying to make something special. Although I think it has been somewhat successful because some people watch because they like Enzo, and others watch because they find Enzo annoying and want to see him get his ass kicked. But aside from Neville and Enzo (maybe Kalisto now too) there's nobody else to get invested in. The rest of the roster is interchangeable and when new guys are added and made to seem like a big deal it makes it easier to forget about the rest of the guys.

Plus there's the stigma of being labeled as a cruiserweight. Aries knew he could be more so he wanted out, and thanks to Cody Rhodes he's shown that wrestlers can be successful outside of WWE.

WCW got away without really building characters with their cruiserweights but that's because the matches were energetic and athletic at that time. The problem today is everyone does flips and dives so it's less special when the smaller guys do it because they just saw Big E dive through the middle rope head first.

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I'll second what Fromage says. The division is nowhere near what it was created or hyped up to be and is mainly a bust, but there are still aspects of it that make it worth keeping. Enzo's insults on Raw last week were legit funny and had guys corpsing in the ring. Sometimes we do get good matches that, while they don't stay in our minds (along with most WWE matches these days) they're good in the moment and fill a needed spot on the card.

The biggest benefit I see to the Crusierweights, and this is going to sound like an insult tho it's not, is that they have basically replaced the Divas and occupy the spots on the card where they use to work 2 minute matches. Without the Crusierweights, the women may get saddled doing title matches on ppv's during the piss break match before the main event or 30 minutes before the end of Raw. With that role filled, the women have been given the opportunity to showcase their talents that the likes of Beth Phoenix, Gail Kim, Michelle McCool, Layla, and others never were able to.

Hell, look at Nikki Bella. The Bella's in the early 00's were horrible wrestlers. Now, Nikki is one of the better talents they have and its not like it's because the other women around her suck, it's because she got better. Which is amazing to say because I remember back to around the end of their first run in the company I had come to the conclusion that they, Kelly Kelly, Alicia Fox, and Rosa Mendes were just in the company to fuck the male talent to keep them happy while they were out on the road for so long.

Now three out of those 4 are still around nearly 7 years later proving that they have value to the company beyond that.

For a guy like Neville to be stuck as a Crusierweight, it does hurt his image, but for a guy like TJP or Drew Gulak, it's gonna build their name up for their eventual return to the indies.

But for what WWE envisioned this division being and the fans being led to believe with how good the Crusierweight Classic was, it was like being sold a vacation to paradise, only to find that it's filled with wrinkled, old retirees sunbathing every second of the day.
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