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Topic Started: Oct 21 2013, 11:22:39 PM (30,823 Views)
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Figured I'd put this here in case some people miss it in OT

Cpman
Feb 19 2014, 12:55:36 AM
http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/453975-breaking-news-former-wwe-superstar-nelson-frazier-jr-passes-away

Shocking and heartbreaking news. I was a huge Big Daddy V fan and loved the guy's skill as a big man and wrestler. I hope he is at peace now and his family is holding up.

Rest in Peace.


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It's a real shame to hear this news.

My condolences go out to his friends and family.

RIP
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One of my favorite Big Daddy V matches, he could hustle for a big guy, that's for damn sure.
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Nelson Frazier was surprisingly good and quick for a guy his size. He wasn't main event caliber, but WWE used him correctly in the midcard for many years and Frazier was a good support piece that could keep the fans entertained which is all that matters at the end of the day. I don't think there was ever a moment when I watched one of his matches that I was bored or ever think that he was not worthy of being in WWE unlike Khali who may look more muscular and such, but is nowhere near the athlete that Nelson Frazier was.
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Steve Austin recently did a podcast with John Cena. Here are some of the highlights.

He turns 37 in April and still feels like he can keep up with anyone in WWE.

“I’m doing the best I can. I feel great. I’ll be turning 37 in April. In your plea for longevity, you can’t be young in the ring all the time. So, I still feel as if I can keep up with anyone who comes through the door. I have a certain amount of stuff I do on a television basis, but every once in a while, I try to do some stuff that’s unique.”

He admitted that WWE officials have created a “walking on eggshells” environment and wishes there was more positive reinforcement from management.

“A lot of this business is false motivation. They’ll pat you on the butt and go, ‘Oh, good match.’ Right when you come through Gorilla. I wish there was more motivational reinforcement. It’s just lack of confidence. The amazing thing is a lot of these guys are so confident once they’re in that box and the bell rings doing their thing. I’ve talked to a lot of guys – they have such great personalities.”

Many WWE superstars are fearful for their jobs and are “not willing” to take the next step with their careers.

“It’s not that what we have isn’t good. I think we have a locker room full of very, very talented Superstars. But, I also think we have a locker room full of Superstars who are fearful for their employment. And, they’re not willing to take that one step. I don’t get a mad at a lot nowadays. What really frustrates me is when I see a guy with all of the tools or next to all of the tools who is afraid to take that leap of faith.”

WWE is on the cusp of having a true all-star roster for the first time in a long time.

“I wish – and right now I’m very excited – we are on the cusp of getting a true All-Star line-up for the first time in a long time. I think you’ll see that (the chants) go away. And I’m objectively looking at it because when you have one dude and you’re trying to make Superstars off that dude, a majority of the audience only recognizes that one guy. It’s why when you have a feud with Daniel Bryan or The Rock, you don’t hear the ‘Let’s Go Cena / Cena Sucks’ as much. It’s cheer for one guy, boo the other guy. But, when it’s a one-man party out there, often times, the crowd gets attached to the one man.”

Thoughts?
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John Cena has always struck me as a pretty down to earth and insightful guy (one of the reasons I tend to bristle at the amount of hate gets directed at Cena the person and Cena in the ring instead of Cena the character), which I think is pretty remarkable for a guy with his position for as long as he has had it and you look at some of the ego-maniacs that have had that position (or even half that position). I think he's on the money with a lot of these observations.

WWE sends such inconsistent messages and shows such little patience with things and characters that it's no wonder guys would be reluctant to put themselves out there. Daniel Bryan gets fired for doing his job, CM Punk says the company sucks, he gets the longest title reign since Hogan. Dolph Ziggler or Ryback (to be honest I have no idea what Ryback did on Twitter or what landed him in the doghouse, I just pulled the name) say similar things and they haven't won a match in a few years. Zack Ryder thinks outside the box and gets himself over, WWE goes out of their way to bury him for it. Even guys WWE clearly loves, like Sheamus, see little consistency. Sheamus goes from being treated like a main eventer for 6 months to the next six months being a joke.

In today's environment, we wouldn't know who Stone Cold Steve Austin is because the Ringmaster would have been future endeavored. How many gimmicks did Kane, Billy Gunn, or freakin' Rikishi have to cycle through before they found something that worked? What if Bret wouldn't have had the leeway to say "no" to Cowboy Bret Hart and get the Hart Foundation instead?
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Feb 19 2014, 10:23:19 AM
John Cena has always struck me as a pretty down to earth and insightful guy (one of the reasons I tend to bristle at the amount of hate gets directed at Cena the person and Cena in the ring instead of Cena the character), which I think is pretty remarkable for a guy with his position for as long as he has had it and you look at some of the ego-maniacs that have had that position (or even half that position). I think he's on the money with a lot of these observations.

WWE sends such inconsistent messages and shows such little patience with things and characters that it's no wonder guys would be reluctant to put themselves out there. Daniel Bryan gets fired for doing his job, CM Punk says the company sucks, he gets the longest title reign since Hogan. Dolph Ziggler or Ryback (to be honest I have no idea what Ryback did on Twitter or what landed him in the doghouse, I just pulled the name) say similar things and they haven't won a match in a few years. Zack Ryder thinks outside the box and gets himself over, WWE goes out of their way to bury him for it. Even guys WWE clearly loves, like Sheamus, see little consistency. Sheamus goes from being treated like a main eventer for 6 months to the next six months being a joke.

In today's environment, we wouldn't know who Stone Cold Steve Austin is because the Ringmaster would have been future endeavored. How many gimmicks did Kane, Billy Gunn, or freakin' Rikishi have to cycle through before they found something that worked? What if Bret wouldn't have had the leeway to say "no" to Cowboy Bret Hart and get the Hart Foundation instead?
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^Even so that doesn't really make sense. If guys get over and get more popular, that leads to more money for WWE. People are more likely to watch, people are more likely to buy tickets to shows, and people are more likely to buy merchandise.

I think the problem is that WWE is far more stubborn in their thinking today than they were in the past. "We're doing things our way whether you guys like it or not". Compare that to the past: IIRC the original plan was for Triple H to get a monster push in 96/97 but then WWE saw the reactions Austin was getting so they ran with him instead. Austin ended up making the WWE more money than any other wrestler in history. Like Dude said, I'm not sure Austin would even be given much of a chance if he was coming up today.
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Triple H invented the Elimination Chamber


And here I was thinking Eric Bischoff did.

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I wonder if that's true or if Triple H is just reaching Hulk Hogan levels of exaggeration. Soon he'll be talking about how he bodyslammed the 900 pound Rikishi and how the D-X tank was the highest-rated segment of all time
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Feb 19 2014, 06:55:06 PM
Triple H invented the Elimination Chamber


And here I was thinking Eric Bischoff did.
Both are incorrect.

Chris Jericho invented the Elimination Chamber. 8)
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Feb 19 2014, 07:19:08 PM
Fromage
Feb 19 2014, 06:55:06 PM
Triple H invented the Elimination Chamber


And here I was thinking Eric Bischoff did.
Both are incorrect.

Chris Jericho invented the Elimination Chamber. 8)
Actually, everybody is incorrect. It was made by John Tripp and the other employess of Welder Express Inc.
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Feb 19 2014, 07:31:15 PM
pokajabba
Feb 19 2014, 07:19:08 PM
Fromage
Feb 19 2014, 06:55:06 PM
Triple H invented the Elimination Chamber


And here I was thinking Eric Bischoff did.
Both are incorrect.

Chris Jericho invented the Elimination Chamber. 8)
Actually, everybody is incorrect. It was made by John Tripp and the other employess of Welder Express Inc.
:no:

Chris Jericho invented John Tripp and the other employees from Welder Express Inc, as well as the company itself.

/End of discussion.
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Feb 19 2014, 07:31:15 PM
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Feb 19 2014, 07:19:08 PM
Fromage
Feb 19 2014, 06:55:06 PM
Triple H invented the Elimination Chamber


And here I was thinking Eric Bischoff did.
Both are incorrect.

Chris Jericho invented the Elimination Chamber. 8)
Actually, everybody is incorrect. It was made by John Tripp and the other employess of Welder Express Inc.
Yeah, maybe the chamber itself, the physical structure. I know HHH, Bischoff, and Jericho don't have backgrounds in engineering and metalworking.
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HHH put the chamber together with his bare hands.
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Austin predicted Punk returns at WM30... He said it on Jim Ross' new podcast

Other things I remember:
- Austin thinks DB is getting a push that he called a "slow burn"; Ross agreed
- Ross and Austin agreed that Takers streak shouldn't be broken
- Austin would have no issue making DB his champion and running with it
- Austin said him walking was, "the worst decision I've ever made"... He cited the huge amount of money he missed out on and the money he had to pay WWE for breaching his contract
- Austin and Ross think Taker should have his last match vs Cena in Cowboys' stadium and have it known that it is his retirement match
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I don't think Punk is coming back, at least not before WM
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I don't either... Just wanted to put the info out for discussion

I actually am hoping punk doesn't come back for a long time, otherwise I will lose a lot of respect for him
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