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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 1 2017, 12:46:07 PM (727 Views) | |
| T-Unit | Aug 1 2017, 12:46:07 PM Post #1 |
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Can we all just agree after that Nia Jax match last night that Bayley isn't that good and is actually boring as hell? Of all the "Horsewomen" Bayley is the weakest in the ring and on the mic and frankly, she's not even as good as Alexa Bliss. By all means, Alexa should be that 4th Horsewoman, not Bayley. Even hell Emma is better than Bayley. What did anybody see in Bayley besides the cool entrance in NXT? |
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| TGM | Aug 1 2017, 01:01:34 PM Post #2 |
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Bayley doesn't suck. Her booking sucks. 
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| Fromage | Aug 1 2017, 01:57:53 PM Post #3 |
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I think Bayley is one of those wrestlers that was able to shine in NXT and on a smaller stage but going up to the main roster it exposed her weaknesses. She's a fine wrestler, she's very capable in the ring, but she's lacking in mic skills. Lacking promo ability can be hidden in NXT but it's much more important on Raw. I think her gimmick has run its course. She's mocked almost endlessly for being some sort of big child and again it was fine in NXT just like the Vaudevillians gimmick worked in NXT, just like Adam Rose's entrance worked in NXT all because of the smaller stage. So that holds her back from being seen as serious. Then as mentioned there's poor booking decisions. Awhile back Byron was the only one on commentary who praised her and thought her entrance, was cool yet Byron is mocked by everyone so because he's perceived as dumb whatever he likes becomes dumb by default. She was made to look like a goof. Look at her reactions from when she debuted on Raw and then her reactions now. They are completely different. She needs to be repackaged a bit otherwise she'll be completely dead in the water like Zack Ryder when they fucked him as US champion. |
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| T-Unit | Aug 1 2017, 05:57:16 PM Post #4 |
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While TGM is partially right about Bayley's booking sucking, good booking can only go so far for somebody who has weaknesses as Fromage says. It seems for non main event feuds, somebody has to look like a goof while the other looks legit. That's what was shown with the Alexa vs Bayley feud months ago and now we'll see if it happens again. Could Alexa be booked like the typical chickenshit heel? Yeah, but Alexa wouldn't be as good as a chickenshit heel compared to her current heel role. Alexa is strong on the mic, very strong. We're she not great on the mic, that This is your Life segment would have been a thousand times worse. We're it the other way around and Bayley was doing the This is your Life thing, which I hope WWE isn't planning on having her do in the next few weeks as a revenge against Alexa, it would have been a total disaster. I think the big problem is that on Raw, the bookers and writers don't know how to make a babyface lose, but still look strong and stay over or get more over. In NXT that's how Bayley got so over was the losing streak. We've seen for years that babyfaces booked to lose and lose and lose don't have the ability to get over on the main roster because for whatever reason, either the creative team or the commentary team can't make people care to want to see them win. |
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| Crusader | Aug 5 2017, 04:43:41 PM Post #5 |
It's gonna Reign up in dis bitch.
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Bayley sucks... ...deez nuts. HA! |
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| Fromage | Jan 5 2018, 03:19:06 PM Post #6 |
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Dave Meltzer has said that the company has given up and lost interest in Bayley.
But the thing I don't get is if they didn't like her character or gimmick or felt she was lacking in an area, then why not try something different with her? Why keep her in that failed gimmick and bury her into the ground so even those that do still like her eventually give up on her too? It makes no sense. |
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| Static | Jan 5 2018, 03:44:21 PM Post #7 |
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What sucks for the women's division unlike the men on the roster is they don't have a tag division to fall back on. For example, Tyler Breeze and Fandango languished as single's wrestlers so they got teamed up and creative actually devised something that got the fan's attentions. But when you languish as a woman's wrestler and creative has nothing for ya, you're donzo. Besides potentially swapping shows and maybe creating new drama with different women - that's few options for Bayley at this point. Being stuck between a rock and hard place would be preferable to Bayley's current situation.
Edited by Static, Jan 5 2018, 03:45:12 PM.
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| T-Unit | Jan 5 2018, 05:54:31 PM Post #8 |
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Even if Bayley moved to Smackdown, she'd be behind Charlotte, Carmella, Becky, and Naomi. It's not like moving her to another show solves the problem because she'll be a loser there too. When so much of the focus of the women is on the title and the feud surrounding the title, it leaves little else for the other girls to do. Non-title women's feuds will degenerate to one girl blocking another on Twitter, something that's said on Total Divas, something done in a previous match between the two... just unoriginal stuff. Then, the blow off match of these shitty feuds and bookings usually happens as a filler match on a ppv between a hot match and the main event. There's no way for them to get over unless they're in the title picture, which I guess explains why so many of the women's title matches at ppv's involve 4, 5, or 6 women. I think what the women need, more than ever, is their own show. We get stuck with shitty 205 Live when that hour after Smackdown could be the women and that hour can be used to build feuds, give the girls time to have good matches, maybe introduce tag championships for them. And, with those tag belts, because there's not a lot of girls on the roster, they'll have to be traveling/Free Agent champions that go on both Raw/SD. |
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| Joemcmark | Jan 7 2018, 09:52:16 PM Post #9 |
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Looking at the women's division at the current moment, does anyone even have a real, fleshed out gimmick (sans Alexa)? Off the top of my head: Nia Jax- She's big and is "dating" Enzo. They've teased her turning on Bliss almost as many times as they've teased Ziggler getting a push. Similar to Ziggler, people just give up after a while. Bayley- She's nice and hugs people. Sasha Banks- We all know she's so much better as a heel. Her face run is dreadful. Mickie James- "The Veteran", but she never wins or gets much promo time. Naomi- Glorified entrance is basically her "Glow" gimmick. Charlotte Flair- See Sasha Banks. Natalya- "Did you know she's a member of the Hart family? Here's another rehash of the Montreal Screwjob in case you forgot!" Carmella- She had something going with Ellsworth, but now that he's gone, she gets absolutely no promo time. Becky Lynch- I don't even know at this point Absolution- Hey look, we're heels! Let's have a tag match against the other members of the roster! Riot Squad- See Absolution _________________________ Here's the thing, to say that the current women's roster is much better than what we had in the past would be a huge understatement. However, better ring work and more match types does not excuse a lack of good (or any) storytelling. Why do we get the same 6-women tag on RAW every week? Why did Alexa basically disappear for 2 months despite being the CHAMPION? Why do we try to force everyone into a standard "women's segment" each week? Listen, I'd love to get behind this women's revolution as much as the next guy, but it has lost a bit of its luster. The gals are talented, yes, but again, unless you give them the opportunity to tell an entertaining, unique story that showcases that talent, people aren't going to buy into it. Edited by Joemcmark, Jan 8 2018, 12:48:06 AM.
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| T-Unit | Jan 8 2018, 01:17:23 AM Post #10 |
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Becky's gimmick is she's an Irish (l)ass kicker, so I guess she's the babyface Samoa Joe of the women. Naomi is a decent wrestler when her and her opponents timing are good. If one of their timing is off, it becomes a botchamania moment. She's been around 7 or 8 years, I give her a lot of credit for sticking through development and being a dancer for Brodus Clay because Naomi, compared to Divas like Kelly Kelly, Rosa Mendes, the Bellas pre-2014, etc. she was light years ahead of them. Natalya is still in WWE for 2 reasons: 1. related to Bret Hart and 2. her husband almost died and will never wrestle again, so she's there for the paycheck and WWE wants to support her and Tyson as best they can. In all the years I've watched Natalya in WWE, the only time she ever interested me was when she was the valet for Kidd and Daved Hart Smith. As a women's wrestler in WWE... she's as interesting as tapioca pudding. The roster itself has far better workers than ever before and thankfully, they're given at least double the amount of time in their matches compared to the Divas, but there is no story and the characters and how they interact is so bi polar that you can't buy into it. That's not girls faults though, that's them having to work with what they're given and do as they're told. Case and point is Stephanie coming out like Mother Goose and all the women cheer and hug after Steph announces the Rumble when a minute prior, they were trying to tear each other apart. Imagine if in the middle of the brawl at the end of the final Raw before Wrestlemania 13 when Austin, Bret, Undertaker, and Sid were going at it and HBK and DX walked out that Vince's music hit and he got up and all those guys stopped and he announced that the main event at Mania was gonna be a Fatal 4 Way with Austin, Bret, Taker, and Sid for the WWE title and HBK was going to be the special guest referee? Then after he announced that, all 4 guys just decided to stand next to each other and pose for a fucking photo op. Imagine what that would have done to protect kayfabe and their characters. WWE doesn't rely on the women to make them money, at least not big money. They do make money off them with merch and they look more politically correct featuring women more positively than they did back during bra and panties matches and fucking mud wrestling matches, but they're not the draw that stirs the drink. In the current state, WWE can't book women the way they do men where over time they build up a guy to become a superstar by having him work the mid card, then become a contender, then a champion, and finally a superstar. With the women they're always the mid card, always an afterthought and to build a woman from rookie/newcomer to champion takes all of a year or less. Because the process is sped up and so little focus is on the details, people can't find a reason to care with all else that goes on during the show. It's why I think that the women deserve an 1 hour on the Network more than the Crusierweights do. You have another show focused solely on the women, you use that show to build up newcomers/rookies into midcard talent, then when they're ready, you make them contenders or superstars and those are who you feature on Raw or Smackdown and in PPV's. You do essentially have to treat the women exactly like the men though because right now, they're all basically equal. You have to have dedicated jobbers, then you have a tag division, then you have mid card, then you have the main event where the best of the best work. The reason they don't do that now is they don't have the time to tell the story of what level the women are at or the time to have more titles for the women, nor do you have a large enough roster. Instead, they're all just lumped in together as women and all have an equal chance out of the 20 women they have. You add an hour show after Smackdown of just women, you bring in 20 new girls of varying ages and experience, and you have some of the women from Raw and Smackdown show up on occasion to work feuds and matches with them to build a feud and characters and skill levels and such, then you have a 40 woman roster where you can say, "Okay, Alicia, Dana, Mickie, Carmella, Tamina are all jobbers, Bayley, Natalya, Becky, Nia, Sonya, Ruby Riot, etc. are midcarders, and Sasha, Asuka, Ember, Charlotte, Alexa, Ronda, Kairi are all the main event." and from there you push some of the midcard into the main event to freshen it up and drop the main eventers down to the midcard at times. That way, you still have feuds that can utilize gimmicks and build characters without them getting lost in the shuffle and it keeps them from just being dragged down by the formula that WWE has with them now. The answer is you have to get the storytelling and character building for the women, FOR THE MOST PART, off Raw and Smackdown and onto the Network where Vince isn't really gonna give a shit. In fact, on top of that, you take the keys away from Vince and you tell him the only thing he gets to okay is the amount of time the women get on Raw and Smackdown and ppv's, but apart from that, he gets no creative input or control. And I'm not blaming the lackluster state of the women on Vince. I'm just saying that the concept I have can work, but Vince can't be involved because he always changes something because "plans change" or he doesn't want certain people getting more over than his main eventers and making them look bad, which I guess is that glass ceiling so many guys who are in or have been in WWE talk about. |
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| Joemcmark | Jan 11 2018, 11:54:40 PM Post #11 |
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The fact that BOTH Riot Squad and Absolution lost to roll-ups in the same week further showcases that they have no idea what they're doing with this division in terms of storytelling |
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WOTU 2013 Breakout Star of the Year. WOTU 2013 Couple of the Year (w/AJ)
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| T-Unit | Jan 12 2018, 12:25:52 AM Post #12 |
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Also shows that both groups are just the same thing on different shows. |
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| ToTheBank | Jan 22 2018, 12:52:46 PM Post #13 |
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The main roster ruined the Bayley character. There was and still may be a lot of money there w her. |
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